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[BlueToff]

I said 'mostly'.

Jesus wept.

But are they 'mostly' bogus? There seems to be a fair few examples that certainly weren't bogus.

I'm not speaking about complaints against Corbyn. I don't for one second believe he's anti-semetic. But did he really do enough to deal with the claims? It was a big issue that he let a lot of people (possibly Labour voters) down on.

 

[Charro]

I was and still am - but he's increasingly digging his own grave allowing the wolf in sheeps clothing to continue conspiring from within.

His mistake was suspending Corbyn with no substance at all.

He could’ve avoided all this but he decided to try and make a statement of intent and failed.

As much as you don’t like it, the left of the party needs a voice and we will keep fighting to make sure that voice is heard so we don’t let neo liberals run riot.

Without that how do you expect the working class to be represented?

 

[TheSecondComing]

I see my old mate Marie Van Der Zyl is still a repulsive rat

 

[davek]

But are they 'mostly' bogus? There seems to be a fair few examples that certainly weren't bogus.

I'm not speaking about complaints against Corbyn. I don't for one second believe he's anti-semetic. But did he really do enough to deal with the claims? It was a big issue that he let a lot of people (possibly Labour voters) down on.

Yes, they were mostly bogus and based on 'tweets' that were 'liked' on social media (many of which were rejected as falling outside the remit of the LP to deal with by the EHRC).

Under Corbyn the going after anti-semites increased - once Corbyn got shut of arch right wing Blairite Iain McNicol as General Secretary and put in place Jenny Formby. Something the EHRC also acknowledged.

All of whih is not to give any credibility to the EHRC (it's been brought in to undermine the left's presence in the LP), just to underline that even those tainted gets concede there's been a huge over estimation.

 

[tsubaki]

But are they 'mostly' bogus? There seems to be a fair few examples that certainly weren't bogus.

I'm not speaking about complaints against Corbyn. I don't for one second believe he's anti-semetic. But did he really do enough to deal with the claims? It was a big issue that he let a lot of people (possibly Labour voters) down on.

This is a question that, without descending into whataboutery, can be asked about every Labour leader though- including Blair (who was the last Labour leader to be in charge of the party when an arguably anti Semitic attack advert was put out).

Indeed it’s vital to ask the question because just asking it disproves one of the main criticisms of Corbyn over AS (that it only became a problem after his election as leader).

 

[Deleted member 48881]

If Keir Starmer sticks to his principles, Labour will vote against a Brexit deal | Zoe Williams

Backing any Johnson-negotiated outcome on the EU would be toxic for the opposition leader, says Guardian columnist Zoe Williams

www.theguardian.com

 

[Brennan]

If Keir Starmer sticks to his principles, Labour will vote against a Brexit deal | Zoe Williams

Backing any Johnson-negotiated outcome on the EU would be toxic for the opposition leader, says Guardian columnist Zoe Williams

www.theguardian.com

Baffling viewpoint.

 

[The Legend of Southall]

Baffling viewpoint.

Some of the comments on that thread are hilarious. All Corbyn's fault apparently. And any statistic the looks favourably on Corbyn is wrong for reasons.

A lot of the commentors seem to believe just not having Corbyn is going to lead to a Labour victory in 4 years time. They are in for a rude awakening.

Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed the amount of fence sitting Starmer is doing? The Guardian was frothing at the mouth when Corbyn did it lol

 

[Blue 1]

I see my old mate Marie Van Der Zyl is still a repulsive rat

It really gets my goat how she keeps getting wheeled out as the voice of British Jewry, when in her own words, the entire point of the Board of British Deputies is to "promote a sympathetic understanding of Israel". She showed the country what she was on Question Time the other week, when she refused to utter even a smidgeon of condemnation of Trump's supporters chanting "Jews will not replace us", or any of his other behaviour. Her entire attitude was one of "IDGAF as long as it's good for Israel". She's a disgusting hypocrite.

 

[TheSecondComing]

its 2020 and we are edging into 2021 and we are still discussing Brexit.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

His mistake was suspending Corbyn with no substance at all.

He could’ve avoided all this but he decided to try and make a statement of intent and failed.

As much as you don’t like it, the left of the party needs a voice and we will keep fighting to make sure that voice is heard so we don’t let neo liberals run riot.

Without that how do you expect the working class to be represented?

There isn't much what I would call the true left in the Labour Party though certainly not these days.

You look at the majority of those who back momentum and they are often upper middle class champagne socialists completely out of touch or students who try "slumming it" and acting all zaney thinking they support those who live in Council Estates whilst living off Tory mummy n daddy in the suburbs.

I want nothing to do with those types of "leftists".

 

[TheSecondComing]

There isn't much what I would call the true left in the Labour Party though certainly not these days.

You look at the majority of those who back momentum and they are often upper middle class champagne socialists completely out of touch or students who try "slumming it" and acting all zaney thinking they support those who live in Council Estates whilst living off Tory mummy n daddy in the suburbs.

I want nothing to do with those types of "leftists".

I agree with the majority of what they stand for according to the official movement.

Taxing the 1% and the highest paid correctly.

Nationalisation of the railways too.

We need equality and country that does work for all of us not just the rich.

The issue momentum have are the faces of it and certain people who have hijacked it to turn it into something it shouldn’t be and I ain’t talking the actual politicians here.

 

[tsubaki]

There isn't much what I would call the true left in the Labour Party though certainly not these days.

You look at the majority of those who back momentum and they are often upper middle class champagne socialists completely out of touch or students who try "slumming it" and acting all zaney thinking they support those who live in Council Estates whilst living off Tory mummy n daddy in the suburbs.

I want nothing to do with those types of "leftists".

you should of course add a proviso that you don’t know anything about Momentum

 

[TheSecondComing]

you should of course add a proviso that you don’t know anything about Momentum

I imagine he does mate.

I ain’t preaching I know a lot but what I do know is the actual principles are that of my own but some of the faces of momentum over the past couple of years have caused nothing but issues.

Easy targets for the Daily Mail for example to devalue it very easily.

 

[tsubaki]

I imagine he does mate.

I ain’t preaching I know a lot but what I do know is the actual principles are that of my own but some of the faces of momentum over the past couple of years have caused nothing but issues.

Easy targets for the Daily Mail for example to devalue it very easily.

he doesn’t - he thought it was to blame for 2010 and 2015