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[orchard]

My next song is 'Rule Britannia'

Hahaha, yeah, "But in order to fully appreciate this, one must have been caked in the blood of your oppo's at Rorke's Drift".

 

[tsubaki]

You're a smart guy mate but you've been hoodwinked by Momentum and the like to believe anyone in the party who doesn't subscribe to their extreme brand of Socialism/Liberalism is a Red Tory.

As I said New Labour is the best you've ever had yet you actively support Momentum's attempts at thwarting the Parties chances at the next election of returning to those golden days therefore resulting in more Tory rule and austerity cuts.

Its bonkers to me.

Its bonkers to you because you know absolutely nothing about Labour, socialism or even what I’ve advocated here.

As an example I did vote for Starmer, and for a centrist local candidate to take over from our then MP, but by all means continue to say rubbish like New Labour represented the working class in the North because it’s hilarious to read.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

There needs to be a balance.

I think Corbyn and Momentum had a lot of good (moral) policies, but the state they've left the Labour party in is dreadful. Whether Starmer's the man to fix it... I don't know. I don't know enough about him to judge, can only see how he fares in the next election (if he makes it that far).

Corbyn's Labour was unelectable. They succeeded in nothing except preaching to the choir, and while I have no doubt at all that Corbyn isn't an antisemite - I think he's a genuinely good bloke even if I don't agree with all of his views - unfortunately he did nothing to stamp out the examples of antisemitism in the party during his leadership.

They went up against the worst Tory governments in decades on two separate occasions, and lost. The second time, they lost by a landslide - and I've voted Labour in every election.

People need to understand that Momentum's message does not chime with the vast majority of your 'typical' Labour voter - it's why so many traditional Labour areas swung to the Tories last year, and I suppose in those areas Brexit will have been a massive issue (again, something Corbyn and the party seemed to contradict each other on at every opportunity).

So there has to be a mix. Most of their policies may well be sound but the way they went about it was (is?) arrogant and self-righteous. The example is just to call voters in those areas I make examples of 'thick', or 'racist'.

What annoys me is if we had even a semblance of a united/strong Labour party over the last 3 years (since the 2017 election), I think we'd be in a much better position now, whether in regards to general political status or dealing with the pandemic.

Agree with all of that mate - we have to be united if we are to win the next election but Momentum continue to try undermine and unsettle the leadership which will inevitably lead to further infighting and thus strengthen the Conservatives.

They moaned when Sir Keir suspended Corbyn but would he have done that had they supported his leadership from the start rather than attempting a coup d'etat in order to put one of their Corbyneque patsies in charge?

I doubt it.

 

[Blues Harp]

Agree with all of that mate - we have to be united if we are to win the next election but Momentum continue to try undermine and unsettle the leadership which will inevitably lead to further infighting and thus strengthen the Conservatives.

They moaned when Sir Keir suspended Corbyn but would he have done that had they supported his leadership from the start rather than attempting a coup d'etat in order to put one of their Corbyneque patsies in charge?

I doubt it.

How specifically have "momentum undermined and unsettled the leadership" Please provide examples instead of vague accusations. Is it the same as the vicious campaign by the right wing of the Labour Party to undermine Corbyn?

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Its bonkers to you because you know absolutely nothing about Labour, socialism or even what I’ve advocated here.

As an example I did vote for Starmer, and for a centrist local candidate to take over from our then MP, but by all means continue to say rubbish like New Labour represented the working class in the North because it’s hilarious to read.

New Labour never really represented the working class (no party truly does) however the standard of living for the majority of us was better than it has been under many other governments including the current one yet you would rather persist with Tory rule than go back to those days out of some form of protest against Labour not being ran by the Corbynites any longer.

You may not actively be doing that but that is subconsciously what momentum and their support are doing by trying to undermine and oppose Starmer at a time where the party needs to unite.

 

[BlueToff]

To add to my post, I think most people in here absolutely aren't die-hard left wing or Momentum likes, and see that there needs to be a bit of both.

 

[davek]

Decision expected on Corbyn's suspension today.

Get the starting gun ready on a civil war IF Starmer does not back down.

 

[Diogenes the Cynic]

Decision expected on Corbyn's suspension today.

Get the starting gun ready on a civil war IF Starmer does not back down.

He's back in.

Holster that firearm.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

He's back in.

Holster that firearm.

Now is the time build momentum.

 

[davek]

He's back in.

Holster that firearm.

Starmer has backed down. Very wise move.

Now he has to put down the pro-Israeli apartheid state activists in the party and face up to their apologists outside it who will criticise him.

 

[roydo]

Starmer has backed down. Very wise move.

Now he has to put down the pro-Israeli apartheid state activists in the party and face up to their apologists outside it who will criticise him.

And after that?

 

[havrey0123]

This time last year Corbyn was going for prime minister, how far he has fallen

 

[davek]

And after that?

And after that he needs to do his job: attacking 100% the Tories and not turning on socialists in the party. But if he does that again he'll get what he feared: a mass fightback by the membership and the unions. It's his choice. Focus on the Tories and not media lies about the left in the LP or face defeat in his own party and at the polls. This time he made the right decision and backed down.

 

[davek]

This is clearly an act of defying the EHRC recommendations of keeping political interference away from decision making. The Jewish Labour Movement should be suspended. In any case they dont speak for the British Jewish community in the LP, Jewish Voices for Labour do.

Starmer or the NEC need to act.

 

[BigMick]

This is clearly an act of defying the EHRC recommendations of keeping political interference away from decision making. The Jewish Labour Movement should be suspended. In any case they dont speak for the British Jewish community in the LP, Jewish Voices for Labour do.

Starmer or the NEC need to act.

Could you explain that bit in bold for me Dave? Do they have more members, for instance?