tsubaki
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No, we don’t want the same thing. You just want to keep spouting whatever you’ve heard as if it’s fact (“found wanting on numerous big issues ffs”). You’ve got no understanding of Labour, or even British politics.
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No, we don’t want the same thing. You just want to keep spouting whatever you’ve heard as if it’s fact (“found wanting on numerous big issues ffs”). You’ve got no understanding of Labour, or even British politics.
ForeverBlue92
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I want a Labour victory and the end to cuts to the country thats effecting the must vulnerable.
Whereas you seem to want some out of date socialist utopian fantasy that will never happen or isnt wanted by the countries majority and will claim Labour isn't Labour unless we pursue it...
Blues Harp
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So if Starmer gets in all the cuts and austerity are going to magically stop? All tax loopholes are going to be closed? More cash for money starved labour councils? Benefits raised for the less well off? etc etc
Deluded, we will have austerity lite
ForeverBlue92
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I dont know mate but I'll take my chances over keeping the Tories in power.
I respect both you and @tsubaki views we are all comrades in here... however I do worry that the far left/momentum have indoctrinated you both with their propaganda.
Im not Starmers biggest fan but the objective has to be a Labour victory in the next election therefore we all need to unite behind Sir Keir and not let Momentum succeed in trying to undermine him in order to put one of their stooges as leader and guarantee another Conservative victory.
tim cahill
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Labour does need to be united to win. I think it's a shame that Starmer has alienated Corbyn's supporters as it damages the party's chances IMO.
tsubaki
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No you don’t.
davek
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I see he curried favour with people up t'north with his northen soul choice.
How pathetically ham fisted was that?
Even his own dad hated him. That says it all for me.
orchard
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Haha, music is in my soul, so I must select a popular football anthem...
ForeverBlue92
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You're a smart guy mate but you've been hoodwinked by Momentum and the like to believe anyone in the party who doesn't subscribe to their extreme brand of Socialism/Liberalism is a Red Tory.
As I said New Labour is the best you've ever had yet you actively support Momentum's attempts at thwarting the Parties chances at the next election of returning to those golden days therefore resulting in more Tory rule and austerity cuts.
Its bonkers to me.
davek
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It's typical of him if you read a career outline: an utter phoney ticking off career progress boxes.
The LP membership were complete bell ends for being conned by a New Blair for a New Labour.
'The Unity Candidate'.
FFS, the thick gets voting for him on that flimsy assurance. They deserve what they got in the end.
DanEFC92
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There needs to be a balance.
I think Corbyn and Momentum had a lot of good (moral) policies, but the state they've left the Labour party in is dreadful. Whether Starmer's the man to fix it... I don't know. I don't know enough about him to judge, can only see how he fares in the next election (if he makes it that far).
Corbyn's Labour was unelectable. They succeeded in nothing except preaching to the choir, and while I have no doubt at all that Corbyn isn't an antisemite - I think he's a genuinely good bloke even if I don't agree with all of his views - unfortunately he did nothing to stamp out the examples of antisemitism in the party during his leadership.
They went up against the worst Tory governments in decades on two separate occasions, and lost. The second time, they lost by a landslide - and I've voted Labour in every election.
People need to understand that Momentum's message does not chime with the vast majority of your 'typical' Labour voter - it's why so many traditional Labour areas swung to the Tories last year, and I suppose in those areas Brexit will have been a massive issue (again, something Corbyn and the party seemed to contradict each other on at every opportunity).
So there has to be a mix. Most of their policies may well be sound but the way they went about it was (is?) arrogant and self-righteous. The example is just to call voters in those areas I make examples of 'thick', or 'racist'.
What annoys me is if we had even a semblance of a united/strong Labour party over the last 3 years (since the 2017 election), I think we'd be in a much better position now, whether in regards to general political status or dealing with the pandemic.
orchard
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“In order to really appreciate this song you had to be in Wembley in the crowd – I was in the upper tier – for the semi-final of Euro 96 when we’re playing Germany and for the whole stadium to be jumping up and down, rocking to this.”
DanEFC92
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My next song is 'Rule Britannia'
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