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[Seathestars]

No, I dont need to hand absolution to someone who never committed the crime in the first place. It's also meant to underscore the fact that Starmer and Rayner and Ashworth and all the others who sat on the front bench are as much responsible for "anti-semitism" as Corbyn (if there were any, which there wasn't). That's a conclusion reached by the report authors.

Is that why Frank Field resigned after 39 years citing anti Semitism and bullying.
Dame Louise Ellman resigned after 55 years because of it.
The Chief Rabbi spoke out saying the Jewish community were scared of Corbyn becoming PM

Give your head a wobble

 

[davek]

Isn't Starmer getting the same blame as Corbyn did when leader as in its actually the Labour chairperson. Lavery under Corbyn and now Evans calling the shots discipline matters?

No, because Starmer admitted he;d been consulted prior to the decision and in reality that means he was asked by Evans whether to suspend Corbyn.

This has the rapist's friend Starmer's fingerprints all over it.

 

[davek]

Is that why Frank Field resigned after 39 years citing anti Semitism and bullying.
Dame Louise Ellman resigned after 55 years because of it.
The Chief Rabbi spoke out saying the Jewish community were scared of Corbyn becoming PM

Give your head a wobble

Ha Ha Ha.

Are the actions of those hard faced gets supposed to mean anything?

FFS.

 

[peteblue]

Is that why Frank Field resigned after 39 years citing anti Semitism and bullying.
Dame Louise Ellman resigned after 55 years because of it.
The Chief Rabbi spoke out saying the Jewish community were scared of Corbyn becoming PM

Give your head a wobble

Talking of head wobbling...Guardian cartoon...somewhat in poor taste......

 

[catcherintherye]

Because it’s denying that something existed when it quite plainly did. If I were Jewish, and I’m not, then I think I would take offence in the same way that some holocaust deniers try to suggest either it didn’t happen or it was not as bad as reported. I’m not sure I can explain it any more simply than that.....

Pete your comparison between people in an organisation making anti-semitic remarks minly online, and the Holocaust is completely ludicrous. They don't exist on the same continuum.

That goes for any racist comment as well. Using racist language is abhorrent, but it's not the industrial slaughter of millions of people with the explicit stated attempt to kill every member of said race.

 

[peteblue]

Pete your comparison between people in an organisation making anti-semitic remarks minly online, and the Holocaust is completely ludicrous. They don't exist on the same continuum.

That goes for any racist comment as well. Using racist language is abhorrent, but it's not the industrial slaughter of millions of people with the explicit stated attempt to kill every member of said race.

Of course it isn’t on anything remotely like the same scale and it was not my intention to classify it as such. My point was regarding the denial of events that have been proven and that it’s the denial that causes hurt.....

 

[catcherintherye]

Of course it isn’t on anything remotely like the same scale and it was not my intention to classify it as such. My point was regarding the denial of events that have been proven and that it’s the denial that causes hurt.....

The issue is though that Holocaust denial is a very well entrenched and ultimately extremely damaging movement. It's distinctive.

People challenging the veracity of aspects of this report is wholly different,

Even the Nazi's broad program pre 1941, is widely debated and the levels and nature of the anti-semitism is questioned. There is a value and importance in that. What we seem to see now, is merely asking a question is supposedly grouped with denying it's existence.

 

[catcherintherye]

Is that why Frank Field resigned after 39 years citing anti Semitism and bullying.
Dame Louise Ellman resigned after 55 years because of it.
The Chief Rabbi spoke out saying the Jewish community were scared of Corbyn becoming PM

Give your head a wobble

This is the same Frank Field who writes for the Sun and have been dog whistling about immigration (and spreading racist lies about them taking people's jobs etc) for at least the last 15 years.

Why is he suddenly the go to authority on racism? Why on earth should I, or anyone else who has ben involved in trying to combat the pernicious racism that he has helped to spread to taking lectures from him?

 

[Moomin]

 

[Caolam]

As a pro Palestinian Party Labour is always going to appear antisemitic. Is Starmer going to change Labour‘s stance on the Middle East to solve this problem?

 

[Blue 1]

As a pro Palestinian Party Labour is always going to appear antisemitic. Is Starmer going to change Labour‘s stance on the Middle East to solve this problem?

I think calling Labour "pro-Palestine" is a bit of a stretch. Certainly Corbyn and many in the party are, but that's as far as it goes.

Hard not to notice that three of the MP's that were at the centre of the antisemitism furore have all chaired Labour Friends of Israel though.

 

[davek]

As a pro Palestinian Party Labour is always going to appear antisemitic. Is Starmer going to change Labour‘s stance on the Middle East to solve this problem?

Utterly clueless statement in every way.

 

[davek]

That demolition of the EHRC report by Oborne is exactly why I said to @catcherintherye yesterday that it holds zero credibility and shouldn't be given any authority.

It's part and parcel of the political assassination of the left in the labour movement. The fact that it has gained in a very short period of time some sort of definitive last word on the subject is laughable. It's a hatchet job. Pure and simple.

 

[Moomin]

That demolition of the EHRC report by Oborne is exactly why I said to @catcherintherye yesterday that it holds zero credibility and shouldn't be given any authority.

It's part and parcel of the political assassination of the left in the labour movement. The fact that it has gained in a very short period of time some sort of definitive last word on the subject is laughable. It's a hatchet job. Pure and simple.

Oborne is not the most friendly person to Labour but he is a decent journalist.

 

[peteblue]

The issue is though that Holocaust denial is a very well entrenched and ultimately extremely damaging movement. It's distinctive.

People challenging the veracity of aspects of this report is wholly different,

Even the Nazi's broad program pre 1941, is widely debated and the levels and nature of the anti-semitism is questioned. There is a value and importance in that. What we seem to see now, is merely asking a question is supposedly grouped with denying it's existence.

From the report....

“In many more files there was evidence of antisemitic conduct by an ‘ordinary’ member of the Labour Party, who did not hold any office or role, whose conduct the Party could not be directly responsible for under equality law.
The unwanted conduct complained of in this group related to social media comments that:
• diminished the scale or significance of the Holocaust
• expressed support for Hitler or the Nazis
• compared Israelis to Hitler or the Nazis
• described a ‘witch hunt’ in the Labour Party, or said that complaints had
been manufactured by the ‘Israel lobby’
• referenced conspiracies about the Rothschilds and Jewish power and
control over financial or other institutions
• blamed Jewish people for the ‘antisemitism crisis’ in the Labour Party”
• blamed Jewish people generally for actions of the state of Israel
• used ‘Zio’ as an antisemitic term, and
• accused British Jews of greater loyalty to Israel than Britain.

Now the above could be regarded as a minority of party members, but the leadership did nothing to stop it. Even now it appears that Corbyn is trying to play the report down...

Additionally, from the report...

”Conclusion
We find that political interference in individual complaints within the Labour Party prevented its complaints process from working as it should have.
We also find that the practice of political interference, between March 2016 and May 2019, indirectly discriminated against Jewish members and was unlawful.”

This is particularly damning tbh, this is a direct accusation of an unlawful act or actions....