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[Charro]

The problem is that Corbyn repeatedly endorsed anti Semitic views, whether it was intentionally or (I suspect) otherwise.

One only has to have a read through this forum and the amount of vitriol targeted at Jewish people is evidence of that.

There was a fringe that was drawn to the Corbyn leadership that came from the Ickeian Jewish conspiracy club and unfortunately their ideas propagated. As ever, trace back where the term ‘mainstream media’ was first used and it’s quite eye opening.

Corbyn was to this mad fringe as Trump is to Qanon. The problem is that he didn’t do enough, or actually understand the issue, that was being created.

Think this sums it up nicely.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

I’d educate yourself on the long discussions on this particular topic on this esteemed forum before saying anything like that

And I'd phrase comments with more thought before giving advise, if I were you.

 

[tsubaki]

And I'd phrase comments with more thought before giving advise, if I were you.

physician, heal thyself

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Her position mate, not mine.

Only Luciana Berger would want the lime light again on exactly the same issue again, rinse and repeat.

Only this time we are in the grips of a pandemic 60,000+ dead and hungry children in her former constituencies. She needs a good PR manager to tell her to rain it in. Timing is everything, this was her time to hold silence and comment later, just for once...

 

[PhilM]

I’m unsure whether Corbyn is acutely aware of the the issue the left has with anti-Semitism either within the Labour party specifically or in the wider sense.

"...but the scale of the problem was also dramatically overstated for political reasons by our opponents inside and outside the party,"

Has his own moral stance on specific issues blinded him? For me, I don't get the feeling that he is a person who is very self-aware or at least in these situations.

Contrite? Compassion? Acceptance? No, he came out with a statement, while fulfilling his own moral principles, has came across as blinkered for many.

Without going into the much more complex details of the enquiry and the wider-leadership issues within the party, his actions yesterday came across crass.

If it is politically motivated by Starmer and Co., for me Corbyn gave them all the ammunition they needed when he could have been more shrewd with how he acted.

I don't know how deep anti-Semitism is within the party and issues with Israel and Palestine muddy the waters, but it's not something you want to just brush away.

Wider anti-Semitism is real and sadly deeply rooted into society, so as a party they could have been more aware of this - that's my humble opinion.

 

[davek]

Sorry to break this to you, but Corbyn is still a member of the Labour Party.

He's not very clever.

 

[davek]

The problem is that Corbyn repeatedly endorsed anti Semitic views, whether it was intentionally or (I suspect) otherwise.

One only has to have a read through this forum and the amount of vitriol targeted at Jewish people is evidence of that.

You need to back that up.

There was a fringe that was drawn to the Corbyn leadership that came from the Ickeian Jewish conspiracy club and unfortunately their ideas propagated. As ever, trace back where the term ‘mainstream media’ was first used and it’s quite eye opening.

Corbyn was to this mad fringe as Trump is to Qanon. The problem is that he didn’t do enough, or actually understand the issue, that was being created.

That wasn't the conclusion of the EHRC report. Even though it's a non-credible political take down document that exists purely because of a smear campaign, it underlines that there was no one person 'responsible' for 'anti-semitic' behaviour. It states it was a collective failure of leadership...which means also Starmer and Rayner and the rest of them.

 

[davek]

I’m unsure whether Corbyn is acutely aware of the the issue the left has with anti-Semitism either within the Labour party specifically or in the wider sense.



Has his own moral stance on specific issues blinded him? For me, I don't get the feeling that he is a person who is very self-aware or at least in these situations.

Contrite? Compassion? Acceptance? No, he came out with a statement, while fulfilling his own moral principles, has came across as blinkered for many.

Without going into the much more complex details of the enquiry and the wider-leadership issues within the party, his actions yesterday came across crass.

If it is politically motivated by Starmer and Co., for me Corbyn gave them all the ammunition they needed when he could have been more shrewd with how he acted.

I don't know how deep anti-Semitism is within the party and issues with Israel and Palestine muddy the waters, but it's not something you want to just brush away.

Wider anti-Semitism is real and sadly deeply rooted into society, so as a party they could have been more aware of this - that's my humble opinion.

The EHRC report that Starmer endorsed ALLOWS for Corbyn to make that claim. In actuality it's now STARMER not Corbyn who has fallen foul of the report's recommendations. Corbyn has been suspended under false pretences. A decision that will come back to haunt the "forensic" Starmer again and again and again.

With his knee jerk politically motivated decision to illicitly suspend Corbyn he's energised the left and undermined confidence in his own ability.

 

[roydo]

it underlines that there was no one person 'responsible' for 'anti-semitic' behaviour. It states it was a collective failure of leadership...which means also Starmer and Rayner and the rest of them.

Is that meant to absolve Corbyn, on the basis that they were all at it?

When he was the leader?

 

[Blue 1]

Luciana Berger calling it as she sees/has experienced it. Corbyn is an anti-Semite!

Former Labour Party MP Luciana Berger alleges Jeremy Corbyn made ‘a number of different antisemitic comments’

Luciana Berger left in February last year, along with seven other MPs, saying she had been the victim of bullying within the party.

www.channel4.com

Only not how the report sees it, unfortunately for Luciana.

The abuse she received was absolutely horrendous and more should've been done by the party to protect her, but she's score-settling and stirring the pot right there.

 

[davek]

Is that meant to absolve Corbyn, on the basis that they were all at it?

When he was the leader?

No, I dont need to hand absolution to someone who never committed the crime in the first place. It's also meant to underscore the fact that Starmer and Rayner and Ashworth and all the others who sat on the front bench are as much responsible for "anti-semitism" as Corbyn (if there were any, which there wasn't). That's a conclusion reached by the report authors.

 

[roydo]

No, I dont need to hand absolution to someone who never committed the crime in the first place. It's also meant to underscore the fact that Starmer and Rayner and Ashworth and all the others who sat on the front bench are as much responsible for "anti-semitism" as Corbyn (if there were any, which there wasn't). That's a conclusion reached by the report authors.

So no AS at all?

So what is the EHRC action plan all about then?

 

[Amw79]

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No, I dont need to hand absolution to someone who never committed the crime in the first place. It's also meant to underscore the fact that Starmer and Rayner and Ashworth and all the others who sat on the front bench are as much responsible for "anti-semitism" as Corbyn (if there were any, which there wasn't). That's a conclusion reached by the report authors.

what does this mean? Wasn’t any what?

 

[davek]

Only Luciana Berger would want the lime light again on exactly the same issue again, rinse and repeat.

Only this time we are in the grips of a pandemic 60,000+ dead and hungry children in her former constituencies. She needs a good PR manager to tell her to rain it in. Timing is everything, this was her time to hold silence and comment later, just for once...

Berger cares about Berger. That's about it. A careerist who never had the talent or loyalty and commitment to get on in the LP beyond a certain level. She's now found her level - dumped by the Lib Dems as a failed candidate.

 

[davek]

So no AS at all?

So what is the EHRC action plan all about then?

Mostly online trolls, and occurring less in the LP I suspect than than the Murderering Tory Party...which also has a massive Islamophobia problem - one that will never get an "independent" report.