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[dannyboy]

Not quite sure that's true - it's certainly a centre-right nation on the whole, but I think the Tories only win when the alternative is worse.

You really think Thatcher, Cameron, May and Johnson were better than the alternatives?

 

[Mrk]

You really think Thatcher, Cameron, May and Johnson were better than the alternatives?

Wasn't passing my opinion on any of them or who they were up against, I was saying that's how the country votes.

 

[AsiaAsia82]

Not quite sure that's true - it's certainly a centre-right nation on the whole, but I think the Tories only win when the alternative is worse.

Agree with this, Corbyn was toxic to most, regardless of what he said. Starmer is in place to try to bring the party back to the centre and more ‘electable’ but IMO until the London Labour Party realise that it needs a northern based leader voters will still fear to vote, and sorry to say McCluskey frightens people in the centre also.
Unless we want to continue to be an opposition party, especially now with the SNP dominating Scotland the image and leadership needs to change.

 

[Charro]

I want the Labour Party to have people that frighten the centre.

Politics shouldn’t be easy for anyone.

 

[dannyboy]

Agree with this, Corbyn was toxic to most, regardless of what he said. Starmer is in place to try to bring the party back to the centre and more ‘electable’ but IMO until the London Labour Party realise that it needs a northern based leader voters will still fear to vote, and sorry to say McCluskey frightens people in the centre also.
Unless we want to continue to be an opposition party, especially now with the SNP dominating Scotland the image and leadership needs to change.

What policies are you looking forward to abandoning most in pursuit of the centre?

 

[davek]

This feller never lets an hour go by without tweeting something.

Look like he's gone AWOL.

I'm really enjoying his discomfort.


He'll tip up soon with some link to a BS blog wringing his hands on Starmer's actions but urging that the left should keep their heads down and remember what the prize is.

A clueless duffer who who's learned zero in 40 odd years of labourist politics.

Mason sidesteps the issue and finally pipes up with a technical explanation of the suspension.

 

[mill]

Not quite sure that's true - it's certainly a centre-right nation on the whole, but I think the Tories only win when the alternative is worse.

Those that have want to keep it. Those that don’t think they will be rich one day. That is why the odds will always be skewed towards Tory. People are fundamentally selfish.

 

[Blues Harp]

I gave up with the party when Miliband got the gig - biggest Champagne Socialist going that fella.

Brown was alright but he self destructed when the media caught him calling that arl woman a bigot at a time where immigration was the big political issue.

You haven't a clue have you? She was a bigot.

 

[Mrk]

What policies are you looking forward to abandoning most in pursuit of the centre?

The policy of losing every election, probably.

 

[AsiaAsia82]

What policies are you looking forward to abandoning most in pursuit of the centre?

I didn’t say policies I said the leadership and image of the party.
The policies don’t really matter to the centre as for them you take with one hand and give with the other.
It’s those fickle voters who vote for the image not the substance

 

[Mrk]

Agree with this, Corbyn was toxic to most, regardless of what he said. Starmer is in place to try to bring the party back to the centre and more ‘electable’ but IMO until the London Labour Party realise that it needs a northern based leader voters will still fear to vote, and sorry to say McCluskey frightens people in the centre also.
Unless we want to continue to be an opposition party, especially now with the SNP dominating Scotland the image and leadership needs to change.

I try and stay far away from the whole internal Labour factionalism really - I don't understand enough about it. However, one thing that is fundamentally true is when Labour attract just a small percentage of soft-conservative voters, they win. That's not to say Labour going after the 'centre ground' is right or wrong, but it's one of the inescapable facts of British politics.

 

[roydo]

I try and stay far away from the whole internal Labour factionalism really - I don't understand enough about it. However, one thing that is fundamentally true is when Labour attract just a small percentage of soft-conservative voters, they win. That's not to say Labour going after the 'centre ground' is right or wrong, but it's one of the inescapable facts of British politics.

Same here, it bewilders me. Like I feel if I supported Starmer, many in here, Real Labour if you like, would hate me. And until recently, I was part of the fabled working class, and am currently in the role of living via the welfare state.

 

[Mrk]

Those that have want to keep it. Those that don’t think they will be rich one day. That is why the odds will always be skewed towards Tory. People are fundamentally selfish.

There's an element of truth in it, humans are instinctively focused on the betterment of themselves and their family - but there's an awful lot more to it.

 

[AsiaAsia82]

I try and stay far away from the whole internal Labour factionalism really - I don't understand enough about it. However, one thing that is fundamentally true is when Labour attract just a small percentage of soft-conservative voters, they win. That's not to say Labour going after the 'centre ground' is right or wrong, but it's one of the inescapable facts of British politics.

I agree it was and now the SNP have taken seats in Scotland and to a lesser extent Plaid in Wales, it seems a coalition would be a logical first step unless there’s a leader who can gain the soft centre as you say.

 

[Mrk]

Same here, it bewilders me. Like I feel if I supported Starmer, many in here, Real Labour if you like, would hate me. And until recently, I was part of the fabled working class, and am currently in the role of living via the welfare state.

I totally understand where you're coming from. One thing I would say though is 'Real Labour' doesn't exist, just like 'Britain in the good old days' doesn't exist. A political party is nothing more than a group of people united behind some kind of loose cause or ideology - anybody who claims to be 'real' anything is kidding themselves.