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[dannyboy]

These people aren't messing round. This is war.

 

[Charro]

Get involved in grassroots instead of going over to the greens.

I might reinstate my membership tbh. Labour needs voices from the left now more than ever.

 

[dannyboy]

Doesn't really matter.

The Labour party isn't unelectable because of a lack of youth votes. And when it comes down to it most of those young people will go for Labour over Greens in a general election in an effort to keep the Tories out.

Starmer has got to be very careful to not lose the youth demographic though. Aside from political hacks in the New Statesman and Guardian it's difficult to see where he's going to get enthusiasm for the party from.

To me, it seems like he's trying to appeal to people who are never ever going to vote for the Labour Party anyway. Their frustrations are bigger than Corbyn. Most of these people still despise Blair even more.

 

[tsubaki]

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These people aren't messing round. This is war.

this is why an independent and effective complaints process was and is needed, though - the CAAS making complaints like this could be dealt with properly then

instead we’ll have factionalism and idiocy

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[Connor]

Labour needs voices from the left now more than ever.

We said this after the last election, but its clear now its wrong

It's dead, time to start afresh

 

[davek]

The elections for the NEC and Unison are going to receive a jolt with this. If either fall to the left then Starmer will be on shaky ground. His audience is big business and the City of London finance institutions in particular. Let;s see how his actions have gone down within the labour movement.

 

[catcherintherye]

....it still doesn’t make what has gone on in the Labour Party right.

I can only talk for myself. As a life long Labour voter I welcome the findings of this enquiry and the subsequent action of Sir Keir Starmer. It’s going to take a long time to reverse the Corbyn years.

What went on that you think was so bad Eggs? I'm not trying to dig you out, but would be interested in hearing about the difficulties.

 

[davek]

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Rayner has just stabbed Corbyn in the back, so maybe she's trying to gain some distance from this.

 

[catcherintherye]

The elections for the NEC and Unison are going to receive a jolt with this. If either fall to the left then Starmer will be on shaky ground. His audience is big business and the City of London finance institutions in particular. Let;s see how his actions have gone down within the labour movement.

I think it's a bit dangerous to view the opposition to this as via internal structures mate.

There is not really the unity or bravery from much of the left to coordinate this as it should be. You rightly asked of Mason, he will come out and essentially call for no action. So will Jones. "Don't leave now" will be the call, when both should now be calling for mass and orgaised resignations.

Say what you want about the "old left" of Mclusky and the like, they at least understand how to engage in a faction fight.

Mason particularly is used to give left cover and sheen to this project.

 

[catcherintherye]

Rayner has just stabbed Corbyn in the back, so maybe she's trying to gain some distance from this.

What has she said?

I read something a while back about Cromwell, and how they dug his body up, 20 years after he died to put on display. This is not going away. Unless people hammer Corbyn they will be targetted next. And having done that, it will never be enough. This is what Mason et al don't get, no amount grovelling will ever satisfy them.

 

[davek]

I think it's a bit dangerous to view the opposition to this as via internal structures mate.

There is not really the unity or bravery from much of the left to coordinate this as it should be. You rightly asked of Mason, he will come out and essentially call for no action. So will Jones. "Don't leave now" will be the call, when both should now be calling for mass and orgaised resignations.

Say what you want about the "old left" of Mclusky and the like, they at least understand how to engage in a faction fight.

Mason particularly is used to give left cover and sheen to this project.

The unions are the tail that wags the dog. They have two functions for the PLP that they will always try and maintain: 1/ funding, 2/ a social base to represent, as they are the largest organisations with an organic link with the working class. If unions start rattling their sabres and threatening disaffiliation (and many have done that in the recent past) that threatens the PLP.

 

[davek]

What has she said?

I read something a while back about Cromwell, and how they dug his body up, 20 years after he died to put on display. This is not going away. Unless people hammer Corbyn they will be targetted next. And having done that, it will never be enough. This is what Mason et al don't get, no amount grovelling will ever satisfy them.

She said that Corbyn has 'a blind spot' and a 'denial' of the AS issue.

 

[davek]

 

[catcherintherye]

The unions are the tail that wags the dog. They have two functions for the PLP that they will always try and maintain: 1/ funding, 2/ a social base to represent, as they are the largest organisations with an organic link with the working class. If unions start rattling their sabres and threatening disaffiliation (and many have done that in the recent past) that threatens the PLP.

It's a good summary of the function.

I don't know how to summarise in a particularly intelligent way, but unless the members/unions of the party can organise themselves in a coherent way for a fight, and give Starmer/the right of the prty a counter balance, we will be routed.

This "please be nice to us sir Keir" act has to stop now.