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[davek]

Think it’s a big shame Starmer will be in charge for next election. He’s useless. Someone like Burnham would have been be perfect to put these Tory rats to bed.

Burnham is the creature of big business in Greater Manchester. All he's doing is arguing their case for them...any knock on positive effect for workers is secondary.

 

[NorthernBlue]

Burnham is the creature of big business in Greater Manchester. All he's doing is arguing their case for them...any knock on positive effect for workers is secondary.

Maybe so but he’s the best available who is at least electable.

 

[davek]

Maybe so but he’s the best available who is at least electable.

Burnham's speech during his 2015 leadership bid underlines what he's all about:

Burnham’s speech will say a party under his leadership would make sure those who show the spirit of enterprise would be “as much our heroes as the nurse or the teacher”. The former health secretary will argue part of the way his party “got it wrong on business ... was that we simply didn’t say enough that we value what you do: creating jobs and wealth”.

“We didn’t celebrate the spirit of enterprise,” he will say. “Far too rarely over the last few years has Labour spoken up in praise of the everyday heroes of our society. The small businessman or woman, the sole trader, the innovator, the inventor, the entrepreneur. The small businesses that become big businesses. The people with the creative spark to think of a new idea and the get-up-and-go to make it work. Who often have to fight against the odds to succeed, but put in the hours, the sweat and the hard graft to do it.

“So I want this message to go out loud and clear today: Labour must always champion wealth creation, and show we understand that if we want high-skill, high-wage jobs then we have to support the businesses that create them.”


Those City Region Mayor posts were set up by Osborne and they're meant to facilitate big business. Burnham was the obvious choice for either Liverpool or Manchester.

He's far removed from what a LP leader should be for me. He fights for the other side...just like Starmer.

 

[NorthernBlue]

Burnham's speech during his 2015 leadership bid underlines what he's all about:

Burnham’s speech will say a party under his leadership would make sure those who show the spirit of enterprise would be “as much our heroes as the nurse or the teacher”. The former health secretary will argue part of the way his party “got it wrong on business ... was that we simply didn’t say enough that we value what you do: creating jobs and wealth”.

“We didn’t celebrate the spirit of enterprise,” he will say. “Far too rarely over the last few years has Labour spoken up in praise of the everyday heroes of our society. The small businessman or woman, the sole trader, the innovator, the inventor, the entrepreneur. The small businesses that become big businesses. The people with the creative spark to think of a new idea and the get-up-and-go to make it work. Who often have to fight against the odds to succeed, but put in the hours, the sweat and the hard graft to do it.

“So I want this message to go out loud and clear today: Labour must always champion wealth creation, and show we understand that if we want high-skill, high-wage jobs then we have to support the businesses that create them.”


Those City Region Mayor posts were set up by Osborne and they're meant to facilitate big business. Burnham was the obvious choice for either Liverpool or Manchester.

He's far removed from what a LP leader should be for me. He fights for the other side...just like Starmer.

Problem is the side a lot of us wanted and were excited for proved to be unelectable. Masses of the north went to the right and not the left. Think someone like Burnham would be the only chance of getting rid of these Tory horrors. Starmer was a horrific choice.

 

[orly]

Worth remembering that while it was mutually assured destruction Burnham actually also lost the negotiations

 

[SpongeBob brown shoes]

Liverpool council doing what the Tory rats won't

 

[Chewbacca]

Starmer just needs to say some racist stuff and vast swathes of northern voters will vote for him.

 

[tsubaki]

Problem is the side a lot of us wanted and were excited for proved to be unelectable. Masses of the north went to the right and not the left. Think someone like Burnham would be the only chance of getting rid of these Tory horrors. Starmer was a horrific choice.

TBH I’d have thought the “unelectable” argument would have been one of the casualties of Coronavirus.

Corbyn was deemed unelectable by the same papers, commentators and hacks who are keeping Johnson on 40% despite a blatant and obvious disaster unfolding in the country. Starmer, despite months of being right and smashing Johnson all over the shop, isn’t 20 points clear.

 

[davek]

 

[tsubaki]

It is perhaps not a surprise that the only media outlets to pick that up are Morning Star and possibly the next Eye, despite the methods used against Corbyn (multiple "campaigns" that only exist on Facebook and yet which get suspiciously prominent media coverage) being the same methods used for Brexit, and the same methods used by pro-Trump groups in 2016 and now.

Hope he's next turned his attention to where the money came from; the whole article suggests north of £400000 was spent on behalf of these scams and we need to know who paid for this (we already know who got rewarded).

 

[davek]

It is perhaps not a surprise that the only media outlets to pick that up are Morning Star and possibly the next Eye, despite the methods used against Corbyn (multiple "campaigns" that only exist on Facebook and yet which get suspiciously prominent media coverage) being the same methods used for Brexit, and the same methods used by pro-Trump groups in 2016 and now.

Hope he's next turned his attention to where the money came from; the whole article suggests north of £400000 was spent on behalf of these scams and we need to know who paid for this (we already know who got rewarded).

Where would the cash for scumbags like Austin, Gapes and Lewis logically come from?

 

[tsubaki]

Where would the cash for scumbags like Austin, Gapes and Lewis logically come from?

it isn't clear (from the EC figures they havent reported how much money they took, but they arent required to break it down anyway) but there was loads of cash floating around for anti-Labour groups in 2019 so it could have come from anywhere, including Tory donors who CCHQ directed that way (assuming they didnt direct this entirely as it is)

 

[davek]

it isn't clear (from the EC figures they havent reported how much money they took, but they arent required to break it down anyway) but there was loads of cash floating around for anti-Labour groups in 2019 so it could have come from anywhere, including Tory donors who CCHQ directed that way (assuming they didnt direct this entirely as it is)

*cough* foreign *cough* actors *cough*

 

[tsubaki]

*cough* foreign *cough* actors *cough*

doubt it - they had more than enough money as it is, what with Corbyn spooking them into living in a fair and just society patriotically fearing punitive class war levels of tax-theft, what Stalin did basically

 

[davek]

doubt it - they had more than enough money as it is, what with Corbyn spooking them into living in a fair and just society patriotically fearing punitive class war levels of tax-theft, what Stalin did basically

This article in the Canary from last year hints at the answers IMO.

There's a huge question mark over who's funding the ex Labour and Tory MPs

Money, money, money

www.thecanary.co