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[edge]

This is just you repeating slogans, edge.

I was saying loads of people turned away from Labour because of what they’d heard about them. A lot of what they’d heard about them was wrong.

What I would love to see is some recognition that people were lied to (and that they understand they were lied to) - otherwise instead of what you claim here, we will be in four years time all watching the same posters make the same arguments that Labour is out of touch, doesn’t represent real people, “I am centre left and I wish I had a party that could represent me instead of these extremists”, Starmer is a bit weird and did you hear he was soft on peados? and so on.

Its not me they need to convince i voted Labour, i would have anybody to keep Boris out of office to be honest,
I didn't really have a problem with what Corbyn was saying broadly renationazation ect,
when you actually listened to him he to me came across ok, but did i ever think he could win an election , Good leader , ect no sorry not for a moment did i actually think he had a chance of winning
In reality.
The party was to insular in its outlook , fine for internal consumption but not to the wider audience.
Stamer , i cant really take to him personally, but what were the alternatives on offer ?
Nandy i quite liked , we need a steady pair of hands at the top , and have to be seen to be a safe option, just sit there let Boris fk up and pick the pieces up.
Party needs to wise up , take a leaf out of the Tories , ditch leaders when they are no hopers , keep the message clear, Boris just said get brexit done ,nothing else really and walked it.
Say what people need to hear and get in power , then you can actually do what needs doing, call it lying to get into power if you want i am not botherd ,and it has never bothered the Tories ever so why should are side care.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Yep, one throws a team member under the bus without an argument, the other defends them as if his life depended on him. Which one would you like to work for......

Sets clear boundaries and reinforce expectations for the position held.

And no, certainly would not want to work for Cummings or whoever is in charge of current Government...

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

This is the argument I have with a Corbynite mate of mine all the time, he doesn’t accept that you cannot succeed in politics just by having the right policies.

Sadly what matters more in our political system is what the general public think of you and your party, not what the reality is.

They way I see it, is play the game of getting into power when on the front bench anyway...

And when in power start introducing policy to change position.

There are many ways the UK official stance of the current Israel Government and it's agenda can be changed without going near the manifesto.

 

[neil999]

I think what is forgotten with Blair sometimes is the Tories were in an absolute mess at the time

 

[edge]

I think what is forgotten with Blair sometimes is the Tories were in an absolute mess at the time

They have been in a mess for the last decade most of the time ,still managed to win 3 elections, Blair for all his faults would have won any of them easily.

 

[tsubaki]

I think what is forgotten with Blair sometimes is the Tories were in an absolute mess at the time

TBF people should really go back and re-examine that time, and how much of that mess was the media saying “mess” over and over again.

 

[davek]

Yes Dave. Hopefully soon the stain of Militant will be fully purged from our party.

Can't help but feel that we are on the path to win the next GE

On the path to a civil war.

Yeah, great move by Starmer. It's the left that gets the vote out on election day. I'm sure they'll be desperate to work for him to get into No.10.

Starmer will have to be replaced by the next election.

He attacks socialists and collaborates with Tories.

 

[davek]

Tories killing the population on an industrial scale and this neo-Blairite turd turns on socialists to make himself look strong.

The LP membership who voted for him thinking he was a good bet to provide unity can repent at leisure now.

 

[ramacca]

Seems like Starmer may have to refer himself to the Labour party disciplinary committee over anti semitism, and could be in trouble after meeting a pro Palestinian group in 2017 and may have to sack himself. 'Principled stand' and all that should apply to him as much as Long Bailey.

Labour shadow minister met group which praised suicide ...
www.thejc.com › news › uk-news › labour-shadow-mi...

 

[Brennan]

Tories killing the population on an industrial scale and this neo-Blairite turd turns on socialists to make himself look strong.

The LP membership who voted for him thinking he was a good bet to provide unity can repent at leisure now.

He’s done more for human rights and the common man in his career than you would in a hundred lifetimes you daft sod.

 

[Methuselah]

I think what is forgotten with Blair sometimes is the Tories were in an absolute mess at the time

Yes, the truly awful John Major government. Even I voted Labour that time (and just to be clear, not for the first time).

 

[davek]

He’s done more for human rights and the common man in his career than you would in a hundred lifetimes you daft sod.

Starmer's human rights achievements:

• Allowed copers who killed Ian Tomlinson to walk free
• Allowed coppers who assassinated Jean Charles Menezes to walk free
• Wouldn't prosecute MI5 and MI6 officers for torture of 3 Libyan dissidents
• Wouldn't prosecute coppers who went undercover and started families and wrecked peoples lives
• Proponent of a 'superdtabase' to retain records and advance spying on the UK population - repackaged later as the Investigative Powers Act brought in by the Cameron Government, which Starmer - then a Labour MP, supported
• Worked with Swedish lawyers looking to extradite Julian Assange

...but, yeah, the McLibel case.

Check your facts before diving in and making a fool of yourself. Again.

 

[Charro]

Yawn

 

[tsubaki]

Seems like Starmer may have to refer himself to the Labour party disciplinary committee over anti semitism, and could be in trouble after meeting a pro Palestinian group in 2017 and may have to sack himself. 'Principled stand' and all that should apply to him as much as Long Bailey.

Labour shadow minister met group which praised suicide ...
www.thejc.com › news › uk-news › labour-shadow-mi...

Another great headline from the JC that.

 

[Brennan]

Starmer's human rights achievements:

• Allowed copers who killed Ian Tomlinson to walk free
• Allowed coppers who assassinated Jean Charles Menezes to walk free
• Wouldn't prosecute MI5 and MI6 officers for torture of 3 Libyan dissidents
• Wouldn't prosecute coppers who went undercover and started families and wrecked peoples lives
• Proponent of a 'superdtabase' to retain records and advance spying on the UK population - repackaged later as the Investigative Powers Act brought in by the Cameron Government, which Starmer - then a Labour MP, supported
• Worked with Swedish lawyers looking to extradite Julian Assange

...but, yeah, the McLibel case.

Check your facts before diving in and making a fool of yourself. Again.

Great balanced view.

Even if you were right which shock you aren’t, he’s still achieved more than you ever will. Cycling around slating the common man and posting on here all day about how everybody is scum.

Comparing him to Blair, a man born into privilege who was in politics before he turned 30 just highlights your sheer ignorance of the topic.

David Renton, a well known socialist barrister declared he was “one of us” when standing for the Labour leadership.

He had “dedicated his career to defending workers and trade unions”, as a barrister he was “a principled opponent of state power”.

And you compare him to a career politician.

I suppose you’ll declare that you know better than a card carrying socialist who actually worked with the guy though. Your insight knows no bounds.