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[Jebus_lives]

The American secret services and Special Forces maybe, but American patrol cops flying out to Israel to learn restraint techniques, I don`t think so.

Have you seen the kip of some of them, I`ve seen slimmer Newcastle fans lol

Certainly in the larger states it will be very likely.

But read my post in reply to my earlier one.

 

[peteblue]

Forensic.........

 

[PhilM]

Do police forces in the US train with the Israeli Secret service? Seems to be evidence to suggest so.

Do the Israeli Secret service have numerous accusations of human rights violations against them via Amnesty international? Yes

Do the Israeli Secret service seem to advertise a martial art technique where you subdue people by extending their arms while kneeling on their neck? Yes

The American secret services and Special Forces maybe, but American patrol cops flying out to Israel to learn restraint techniques, I don`t think so.

Have you seen the kip of some of them, I`ve seen slimmer Newcastle fans lol

How many police or military forces train in Krav Maga, which is directly from the IDF? It doesn't automatically equate to direct support from the Israeli state.

The people suggesting that what Long-Bailey said is anti-Semitic are peddling an anti-Semitic view itself: Israel and Judaism are not one and the bloody same.

 

[zzr45]

Brazilian Ju Jitsu is a creation of the Mossad to kill blacks in America.

 

[Jebus_lives]

How many police or military forces train in Krav Maga, which is directly from the IDF? It doesn't automatically equate to direct support from the Israeli state.

The people suggesting that what Long-Bailey said is anti-Semitic are peddling an anti-Semitic view itself: Israel and Judaism are not one and the bloody same.

Do only the US and Israeli's use force on people's neck to subdue them? No

Should the US police forces be trained by those accused of Human Rights violations? No

Can you conclude actions by US police in cases with excessive force are because they are being specifically trained by Israel (given they are likely to be trained by multiple sources)? No.

 

[davek]

Typical that someone like Paul Mason has gone missing after the RLB sacking. Singing Starmer's praises and underlining his "left" credentials when campaigning for the 'kin rat.

Well done "Marxist"

 

[davek]

Keir Starmer: wont have any truck with "anti-semitism"...but does tolerate state assassinations and torture.

 

[peteblue]

Bailey taken to being asked to stepdown by Starmer is very professional. Can see a way back for her. Such a difference with how Johnson not dealing with Cummings and Jenrick.

Yep, one throws a team member under the bus without an argument, the other defends them as if his life depended on him. Which one would you like to work for......

 

[Tea_drinker]

Yep, one throws a team member under the bus without an argument, the other defends them as if his life depended on him. Which one would you like to work for......

Isnt that just cos Johnson would be even more useless without cummings?

 

[PhilM]

Maybe I'm misinterpreting (if I am, I apologies) but this line stands out for me.

Can you conclude actions by US police in cases with excessive force are because they are being specifically trained by Israel (given they are likely to be trained by multiple sources)? No.

I totally agree with the point that you can't equate excessive force in the US specifically due to their Israel training. Yes I do take it as a direct dig at Israel.

My point however is that having a dig at Israel is NOT automatically an anti-Semitic slur because Israel and Judaism are not the same thing.

Could it have be an anti-Semitic slur in a thinly veiled guise by the original poster? Maybe, however that's a fairly big assumption rather than any form of fact.

Like I said before, if people state that any and every criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic then they're being anti-Semitic themselves - simple as that.

Judaism and Israel are separate entities. Having a go at Saudi Arabia does not directly equate to having a go at Islam etc. etc. etc.

 

[peteblue]

Isnt that just cos Johnson would be even more useless without cummings?

Or Loyalty. Or the fact that Cummings is of actual use...unlike RLB......

 

[Tea_drinker]

Or Loyalty. Or the fact that Cummings is of actual use...unlike RLB......

Whereas Johnson is of actually no use himself bar being a kind of lucky gonk for silly little englanders.

 

[peteblue]

Whereas Johnson is of actually no use himself bar being a kind of lucky gonk for silly little englanders.

But loyal to his team, a rare quality these days...apparently.....

 

[Tea_drinker]

But loyal to his team, a rare quality these days...apparently.....

Loyal to cummings. Its cummings who does the hiring and firing.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Maybe I'm misinterpreting (if I am, I apologies) but this line stands out for me.


I totally agree with the point that you can't equate excessive force in the US specifically due to their Israel training. Yes I do take it as a direct dig at Israel.

My point however is that having a dig at Israel is NOT automatically an anti-Semitic slur because Israel and Judaism are not the same thing.

Could it have be an anti-Semitic slur in a thinly veiled guise by the original poster? Maybe, however that's a fairly big assumption rather than any form of fact.

Like I said before, if people state that any and every criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic then they're being anti-Semitic themselves - simple as that.

Judaism and Israel are separate entities. Having a go at Saudi Arabia does not directly equate to having a go at Islam etc. etc. etc.

No absolutely agree. It's a little irritating that my post was split as I was making this point set against my earlier statements.