Blues Harp
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Daily torygraph headline tomorrow....Starmer fails to land a glove on confident Boris. That will be the way it will be spun, unfortunately
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I dunno, from this distance it seemed to me Starmer was setting Johnson up for down the road
Let’s be honest If he eviscerated him that’d be the telegraph headline so I’m not sure it’s a fair way to judge the performance. I think the consensus seems to be starmer did well , whatever that means .
Personally I felt it was a decent performance and as others have said i think he set him up for the future .
davek
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It's all very collegiate. Which I expect from a Blairite like Starmer.
And why shouldn't he have called him a murderer? Do you think he hasn't?
Serious question do you honestly think Corbyn would have called him one today ? Honestly ?
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No. He wouldn't have called him a murderer. But he'd have lured Johnson out of his comfort zone to allow his mask to slip in public and display his anger. He did that constantly. Johnson doesn't like being in that place. Starmer is his sort of opposition leader: he likes dealing with calm people, it keeps him calm. Prod and poke at him and he reacts. That is the only way to score politically with Johnson. He likes to convey his 'manners' and project his 'humour'. They appeal to the serfs. He knows that.
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I understand that. However, it was clear that the Corbyn methods weren't working. We were never going to see a labour party in leading the country with Corbyn in charge. I think, whilst Starmer certainly maintains similar thoughts, displays and questions them much differently. He's a lawyer afterall, he's going to pick him apart on grounds that will be held against him.
That was a massive step in the right direction today. Careful, precise questioning which completely left Boris clutching at straws for some help. I liked Corbyn and think people should give Starmer a chance.
So the murderer point is moot.
you think starmer did badly I think he did quite well . This may come as a huge shock To you but it’s possible , just possible , on occasions you might just be wrong .
I’m not here as a starmer fan but I think he’s done an ok job , I want an effective opposition and I want this government called to task . Whatever he does you’ll complain you’re no different to those who sought to undermine and oppose Corbyn for day one . I know you think you’re different and no doubt you’ll school me exactly how wrong I am .
I want this government brought to task over what I consider the mishandling over this crisis, I suspect we both want the same thing on that at least . I don’t care if it’s starmer, the Lib Dem’s or the snp who do it
davek
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Him and Corbyn are chalk and cheese. Corbyn wanted to take control of our lives away from corporate interests, Stamer is a classic LP 'reformer'..which is to say he'll hand wring over inequality but throw his hand in with the powerful and rich...his donors alone tell you that.
davek
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He's a creature of the Estalishment. His time as DPP tells you that. He's controlled by the rich. His donors tell you that.
Look, we're living through a catastrophe and "forensic" alone wont cut it. There is no clear daylight between the LP front bench and the Tories. You cant say there is. There's no road map of what our society should look like from the LP under Starmer, and that's because, essentially, Stamer couldn't stomach the vast changes to our social relations and politics that it would entail.
He's an Atlanticist, centre-right, free market Labour politician...the kind that came to the fore in the 80s and 90s...and now they have control again.
He is not centre right. What a load of nonsense
Blues Harp
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Just watched the exchange....one thing which immediately struck me regardless of my opinion on Starmer, was that Bozo, without his ranks of bullies behind him, came across as weak, bumbling, and unable to properly answer the questions put to him...totally exposed for what he is..ok with all his gang behind him but timid and clueless without them
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I still don’t think he has fully recovered tbh....
dead_soft
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From the realisation he's neither as bright as he thinks he is nor as charming?
I reckon by the end of his term his supporters Might have stopped referencing his ‘near death’ experience . That or it’ll have become bravery akin to rorke’s drift , forever burnt into the nations psyche .
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