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[PhilM]

Oh, right, so you think calling people thick is the solution ?
Because, if you really believe that ( and i hope you don't ), then you're as much part of the problem as Johnson et al. We need to talk to those people, not call them thick.

As I said before, it's this 'elitists' lack of empathy, consideration and understanding for the majority of the actual voters/supporters, who have induced this result.

Yet there's still mud slinging from those middle and working class voters, which signifies that the message clearly hasn't been understood by the top of the pyramid.

"You should do this... you should vote for these... this is best for you... if you don't agree, k'off and run to Tories", as if the working-class voter has no actual mind.

Well, they actually do have a mind, they have a voice and they have eventually acted exactly as people suggested they should do: vote for the Conservatives.

If people think they are to blame and not the actual people who've been underwhelming and looked down on them with pitiful disdain, I'm not sure what to say.

Like my friend said, they should be questioning what they (the party) should have done to retain these votes rather than throwing insults and calling them names.

That's not worked here, so it's really not going to draw them back to their roots is it?

 

[Khalekan]

Oh, right, so you think calling people thick is the solution ?
Because, if you really believe that ( and i hope you don't ), then you're as much part of the problem as Johnson et al. We need to talk to those people, not call them thick.

Oh save the sanctimonious claptrap for someone else, Cat.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Sod them, Chris.

They sicken me.

They make me sorry I went on picket lines and demos to support them in those bleak days in 1984/85.

They might be dissatisfied with Labour......but stone me, turning to the Tories?

Really?

@davek puts it best......forelock touching serfs.

Labour will never win an election without the "forelock touching serfs" though.

Calling disenfranchised Labour voters (and voters of other parties) names and/or dismissing them and their concerns is a massive part of the reason that the Tory's have a massive majority today.

 

[Khalekan]

Labour will never win an election without the "forelock touching serfs" though.

Calling disenfranchised Labour voters (and voters of other parties) names and/or dismissing them and their concerns is a massive part of the reason that the Tory's have a massive majority today.

How were they “disenfranchised”?

They have the vote.

 

[dannyboy]

We've drifted ever more left over 4 elections and where has that gotten us? The question is was life better for the majority during the centre left Labour government or now?

You kind of answered your own question of what is the point, because there are people there now advocating stuff like that. Exactly why Labour has to be in power but they can only do that by not trying to smash the system. Win power and evolve over 2/3 terms to more what you want - don't say from day one hundred it will all be different as no one will believe it.

Now that I think about it, the whole reason Corbyn and Momentum came about is because people were fed up of the party supporting austerity. If we don't go down that road again, I and almost everyone on the left will always support the party. It's not too much to ask and not radical.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

How were they “disenfranchised”?

They have the vote.

Fair enough, poor choice of wording on my part.

Disenchanted was the word I was looking for but my point stands.

 

[Khalekan]

Fair enough, poor choice of wording on my part.

Disenchanted was the word I was looking for but my point stands.

No worries...

 

[Tubey]

But Corbyn is dreadful? Seems like he struck a chord with the younger voters.

Because the young think simplistically. I don't mean that to be condescending - I mean it as a fact. "Help the poor", "save the environment". Everything is black and white, good and evil.

As you get older you see the reality - there are shades of grey in between.

The current younger generation aren't in a unique vacuum. You had the 'hippies' in the 60s and 70s who felt the same who grew older and their thinking evolved.

 

[OnlyBlueWillDo]

It is not the leader, it was leader + policies, if you can't see that you are actively helping the Tories win the next election. Do you want them to be in power for 20 years? If the policies were fine and universally adored they would have provided a decent counter weight to the lure of brexit. Only a minority want a huge state, they don't trust the government to do things right. The majority aren't using food banks so instead of trying to appeal more to that set, any Labour government should be appealing to the majority who want things to carry on as per usual but provide the compassionate safety net that one of the richest countries should be able to provide.

Do you not get it yet, Brexit trumps everything with those Labour leave voters, and they showed you that on Thursday.

All you are hearing from Labour canvassers is that people wouldn't vote for Corbyn, and felt betrayed at Labour's stance on brexit.

It had next to nothing to do with policies beyond brexit, people cared more about Brexit than they did the NHS.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

How is Corbyn still just hanging around with no word coming from the party? Surely swift action is required and a leadership contest would best immediately, or at least very shortly called?

Right now, Corbyn is like Silva after the Norwich defeat. He's done and everyone knows it. He's a lame duck, hanging around like a black cloud and the longer he continues to do so will only hurt the Labour party as a whole.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

But Corbyn is dreadful? Seems like he struck a chord with the younger voters.

Struck a chord with younger voters, but oversaw Labour's worst election defeat since 1935.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

How is Corbyn still just hanging around with no word coming from the party? Surely swift action is required and a leadership contest would best immediately, or at least very shortly called?

Right now, Corbyn is like Silva after the Norwich defeat. He's done and everyone knows it. He's a lame duck, hanging around like a black cloud and the longer he continues to do so will only hurt the Labour party as a whole.

I'm on holiday in France at the moment, but was talking to a fella this morning, and he said that Corbyn was pondering staying for another 12 months, don't know how true that is?

 

[PhilM]

How is Corbyn still just hanging around with no word coming from the party? Surely swift action is required and a leadership contest would best immediately, or at least very shortly called?

Right now, Corbyn is like Silva after the Norwich defeat. He's done and everyone knows it. He's a lame duck, hanging around like a black cloud and the longer he continues to do so will only hurt the Labour party as a whole.

He/they want the next leader to fit his/their accepted mould so the movement maintains the desired direction, and a contest wouldn’t guarantee this.

As such, they’ll hold on to power for as long as physically possible, so that someone they choose can come from the wings and take over the reigns.

This whole time of reflection under the current leadership is a farce as they simply will come up with conclusions to fit their ideals, rather than the truth.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

I'm on holiday in France at the moment, but was talking to a fella this morning, and he said that Corbyn was pondering staying for another 12 months, don't know how true that is?

If that proves to be the case then he's every bit of the selfish, deluded, egomaniac that his detractors have always said he was.

 

[ramacca]

Oh, right, so you think calling people thick is the solution ?
Because, if you really believe that ( and i hope you don't ), then you're as much part of the problem as Johnson et al. We need to talk to those people, not call them thick.

I take it you are you a Labour party member?