samcdavies94
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Sorry but 'Take back control' and 'Get Brexit done' are just as simplistic (and even more vague, probably) and have appealed to the older factions of the electorate.
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Sorry but 'Take back control' and 'Get Brexit done' are just as simplistic (and even more vague, probably) and have appealed to the older factions of the electorate.
Or maybe the younger ones are more tech savvy so are very unlikely to be influenced by Murdoch the Barclay bros etc through newspapers and the BBC's propaganda machine. The older generation believe what they read, so if you tell them x, y and a and its in a newspqper then it must be true.
There is a similar pattern emerging in America now with Sanders, they are even laughably trying to accuse him of anti-semitism (apparently the new buzz word) when his family were killed by Nazi's!
The likes of Corbyn and Sanders are the biggest threat to the rich and powerful so the campaigns against them are like nothing we have seen before.
Unless there is major reforms in reporting, journalism and electoral reforms, I dont imagine we will see another Labour leader in a very long time, regardless of how good their policies are or how well they are liked. There is simply too much dark money influencing our elections
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You can believe that it isn't policy based despite Labour losing two on the bounce with similar manifestos, one saying they will honor the referendum and another saying they will give a second referendum, but it isn't true. Without Brexit Labour may have won 240-260 seats, that isn't anywhere near a majority and if other parties did happen to make up enough MPs, coalition governments usually fail - it was a surprise that the 2010 one lasted.
So you can back Corbyn based policies again in the next election just to make sure it wasn't JC that was the problem, but that will be 5 loses on the bounce and 20 years of Tory rule. Up to you but I'd take a long hard look in the mirror and ask myself if I'm part of the solution or part of the problem.
That's a political slogan - the 'catch all'. Every political party does that - 'for the many, not the few' as an example.
That's not the reason people voted Tory at all. I didn't vote Tory, but I can fully understand why people did, far more than I can anyone voting for Corbyn.
Literally a non-factor in why this election went the way it did. All of that.
You won't believe me because you don't want to, but it simply wasn't. I know plenty of working class people who wouldn't vote for Corbyn because of the impact his policies and his thinking would have on their lives and aspirations. The media didn't invent or spin that - Corbyn was up front with who he was.
The country is centre-right and has been no matter what the media say or do. People are naturally conservative - they are aspirational, they want the best for their families. They look for who is offering them the best route through life - who is more likely to help them afford to buy a new home, keep their jobs, earn more money, create opportunities for their children if they work hard. Corbyn essentially told people that earning money through endeavour was greed. The media didn't do it; he did. That's what turned the working classes against him - what he said and did, not what the media said he said and did.
It comes to something when even one of his most ultra - loyal entourage comes out with stuff like this.
Len McCluskey blames Jeremy Corbyn's 'London' mindset and 'incontinent ' rush of policies for Labour defeat.
samcdavies94
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It literally will have been for hundreds of thousands if not millions. People are fed up of hearing about Brexit or they voted for it and have been frustrated at the lack of progress. Plenty of people don't like Corbyn, for all manner of reasons, but part of that has been his handling of the Brexit issue. On the other side, Johnson is promising to 'get it done' and in quick time too.
When you take into account the last nine years and their leader whose only principle has been to get himself in number 10, what else is that party offering if it isn't Brexit?
While driving to work on Friday morning, I was listening to 5 Live and there was a Labour member who, with a clear feeling of shame, had voted Conservative.
While he aligns with the left and believes in the general labour movement, he stated that unfortunately Johnson was politically closer to him that than Corbyn.
That's about as relevant as Everton possession stats under Martinez. The record in the last 5 "games" is still Won 1, lost 4.
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Be epic if he came out and said that, although I'd fear for his safety. Just need to give these policies a tweak.
Him standing down immediately or in one week doesn't make much material difference, but it speaks to his usual tin-eared, glacial approach to politics. Anyone else would have climbed into a skip Friday morning after that result.
DanEFC92
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Hmmmm.
Indeed.
For every 20,000 more votes he got in a safe metropolitan London seat he got 1,000 less in a rural swing seat. Those 1,000 mean a lot more.
That's why just appealing to your base and calling everyone else a Tory loses you elections.
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Yep, have been for 30+ years, and have been involved at a local level ( and, in the distant past as a union rep ) on and off over that time.
He stated he was a Labour party member and seemed genuine enough: his point being Corbyn's policies were too far left, so I suspect he was a Blair supporter.
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