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They're a factor of course, but we're in a world where the media (even the left leaning media) don't like him, the business community don't like him, the general public rate him far lower than even wallies like Johnson and May, and potential allies in other parties show no enthusiasm for working with him. Maybe, just maybe, the problem is Corbyn?

Yes it's his fault for not being more media friendly but that's because he doesn't play the game. The general public moan about politicians and then don't vote for anyone who doesn't look or behave like a politician.
 
Yes it's his fault for not being more media friendly but that's because he doesn't play the game. The general public moan about politicians and then don't vote for anyone who doesn't look or behave like a politician.

*shrug* Steve Jobs didn't look like a CEO either, yet ended up shifting the perception of how leaders should look and behave. I'm just not sure Corbyn is a good leader as opposed to a back bench campaigner. Very different skillsets.
 
Fox was pretty much the only media outlet in the States that gave Trump any time at all, and during the primaries they backed other Republican candidates far more than him. He still managed to win though. What's more, despite nearly overwhelming media opposition (Fox aside), he still retains popularity among his base.

When even the Guardian are largely against Corbyn, perhaps the problem is less the media and more Corbyn himself?

That first paragraph is what I meant by "indirect support" - yes, none of the main networks supported Trump apart from Fox (though a lot of the regional ones do), but they all lapped up his message and repeated it out into the wider audience. Every news bulletin was filled with people talking about Trump promising to build a wall, or Trump putting America first ahead of its allies, or Trump being anti-migrant - often in appalled tones, but talk about it they did.

There is a real contrast between that and how Corbyn is covered - there is still the same appalled tones from the journalists and commentators, but now they are talking about him being an anti-semite, him being weak, him pro-Brexit or him being a Marxist. None of that is true, yet we are in the situation where rational posters here repeat it over and over again.
 
*shrug* Steve Jobs didn't look like a CEO either, yet ended up shifting the perception of how leaders should look and behave. I'm just not sure Corbyn is a good leader as opposed to a back bench campaigner. Very different skillsets.
Whilst I do agree with this particular point (and I'm a Corbyn supporter). I think it's fairly obvious the treatment he's received from most corners of the media has been ridiculously biased. To not notice it you have to be wilfully ignoring it.
 
Whilst I do agree with this particular point (and I'm a Corbyn supporter). I think it's fairly obvious the treatment he's received from most corners of the media has been ridiculously biased. To not notice it you have to be wilfully ignoring it.

What treatment does Johnson, or any Tory come to that, get from the left leaning media?
 
What treatment does Johnson, or any Tory come to that, get from the left leaning media?

Well, if you were to only read the Guardian for your news you'd come away with the idea that he was going to force through Brexit - illegally, and at the risk of ruining our democracy, but he is going to do it anyway.
 
Well, if you were to only read the Guardian for your news you'd come away with the idea that he was going to force through Brexit - illegally, and at the risk of ruining our democracy, but he is going to do it anyway.

Who? Johnson?

Confused. Right leaning media support him, left leaning media dont. Same applies to Corbyn in reverse.

FWIW, I dont read much if any political stuff in the papers, cos of that. I try to make my own mind up.
 
There is a real contrast between that and how Corbyn is covered - there is still the same appalled tones from the journalists and commentators, but now they are talking about him being an anti-semite, him being weak, him pro-Brexit or him being a Marxist. None of that is true, yet we are in the situation where rational posters here repeat it over and over again.

Maybe you weren't aware of his lifelong opposition to the EU? It's true he campaigned (very half-heartedly) for a remain vote in the referendum but as soon as the result was announced he called for Article 50 to be implemented immediately.
 
Who? Johnson?

Confused. Right leaning media support him, left leaning media dont. Same applies to Corbyn in reverse.

FWIW, I dont read much if any political stuff in the papers, cos of that. I try to make my own mind up.

Yes. The point is that a lot of the Guardian reporting criticises him for reasons that he wants to be criticised for, indeed in the case of "Johnson is going to force Brexit through" it is something that the pro-Johnson papers are saying as well.

Maybe you weren't aware of his lifelong opposition to the EU? It's true he campaigned (very half-heartedly) for a remain vote in the referendum but as soon as the result was announced he called for Article 50 to be implemented immediately.

Ah, the old "he campaigned very half-heartedly for remain" meme.

It is a bit crazy that keeps getting recycled even though he was by far the most visible Labour person in the debate, he was entirely right to shun the complete failure that was the official Remain campaign, and he wasn't the one (unlike Tom Watson) who went around saying that something must be done about freedom of movement right before the vote, which didn't at all play into the hands of the campaign that actually wanted to do something about freedom of movement at all.
 
Yes. The point is that a lot of the Guardian reporting criticises him for reasons that he wants to be criticised for, indeed in the case of "Johnson is going to force Brexit through" it is something that the pro-Johnson papers are saying as well.

Sorry, I must be thick. But I just dont understand the point you are making. I have not got a clue what any newspaper has said about Corbyn or Johnson, But my own evaluation is that one is an over promoted student union debater who has firm convictions but has never been in a position to do anything else but violently agree with like minded folk, and the other is a liar.
 
We had a lad from the Labour party at the door this morning, he was saying it was worrying how many actual Labour voters he speaks to who obviously want to see Labour in government, but not with Corbyn at the head of table.
I just don't understand this. I struggle to understand the psychology of a labour voter who would think like this.
 
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