Since I don't support the Labour Party, I'm not realy bothered who they are.
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magicjuan
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Again, I differ. His 'lack of appeal' is down to chaeacter assassination and distraction te hniques, people have bought into that relentless chundering because it's not his policies that people are running from is it?
tsubaki
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So your complete lack of doubt is based on a complete lack of knowledge?
So its all about the lack of 'personalities'?
Nothing to do with the out of touch Notting Hill wine bar / champagne socialists coming up with 'right on' doctrinaire policies that Mr & Mrs Average don't really care about
Or a leader that's not sure which way he wants to go (or so it appears to me)
On a slightly off topic note, can they not find a way to drop Labour from their title, they haven't been for the worker (if we still have any now) for 50yrs.
Only the first past the post system will might stop the Lib Dems creaming all comers. I can see the big 3 only getting
about 25-30% of voting numbers each between them
But what do I know.
Labour? - Not been 'my labour' since before maggie
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tsubaki
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Well exactly. Just look at his associations - where inviting representatives from Hamas or Hezbollah to a meeting is sickening, a betrayal of everything this country stands for.
Meanwhile its not at all sickening that the Government, and many MPs on both sides of the House, support a regime that executes witches.
We live in an age where the Brexit Party (and to a large extent the Leave campaign in general) rose to prominence despite (or even because of) a lack of mainstream media support, yet we're to believe that Corbyn would be loved by all if only the media weren't so horrible to him? This didn't seem to stop him when he was gladhanding it on the Pyramid Stage, or indeed driven to power by the Momentum social movement, but now it's an unbreechable obstacle.
You would think in a world in which Labour are either level pegging or behind the Tories in most polls enough doubt would be cast on the leadership, but especially so when the approval ratings for the leaders themselves is so negative for Corbyn, but it seems more a case of him being the victim, it's not his fault.
If he's not able to communicate his philosophy or message effectively through the media, then what's he going to do about that? Play the plucky underdog never given a fair crack while he loses all the time?
davek
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He's all over the place.
tsubaki
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Sorry - are you really saying that Leave (and the Brexit Party) have had "a lack of mainstream media support"? I mean apart from the backing of the Mail, the S*n, the Express, the Telegraph and the Sunday Times that Leave campaign were basically drawing things on the floor with chalk.
Would have agreed with your choice except that for some odd reason, the Sunday Times has become rabidly anti-Brexit over the last three editions. Previously, they have been largely neutral but with a slight leaning towards Brexit. All change for some reason, maybe Johnson?
And yet Cummings has made his name (and Bannon in the US) due to the effectiveness of their alternative media strategies, which have in large part set out to marginalise the 'mainstream media'. Momentum had supposedly tapped into that when pushing Corbyn to the leadership in the first place, and yet now it's supposedly vanished and his failings are purely down to the mainstream media narrative.
tsubaki
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They do, though we shouldn't forget that the active support of a big chunk of the mainstream media is required for that policy to work - not only the direct support that people like Fox give Trump over there (or the Murdoch papers give Johnson here), but also the indirect support that the media gives by normalizing a lot of the stuff that Bannon and Cummings have their leaders do (and delegitimizing Corbyn, or Sanders / AOC / Omar / Tlaib).
Or to put it another way - if Corbyn was the leader of a minority government and closed the Commons to avoid debate, do you think the papers would have covered it in the same way?
magicjuan
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Loving that 'alternative media strategies'
The direction and editorials, on the whole, of the biggest media players still in this country, is a reflection of corporate wishes, it has little actual reflection on public want and need. It is used to sway rather than inform, as for Bannon and Cummings theirs is to mislead and misinform, shamelessly.
Minimeister
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Bruce has always felt that the media have no control over who governs us.....
Fox was pretty much the only media outlet in the States that gave Trump any time at all, and during the primaries they backed other Republican candidates far more than him. He still managed to win though. What's more, despite nearly overwhelming media opposition (Fox aside), he still retains popularity among his base.
When even the Guardian are largely against Corbyn, perhaps the problem is less the media and more Corbyn himself?
They're a factor of course, but we're in a world where the media (even the left leaning media) don't like him, the business community don't like him, the general public rate him far lower than even wallies like Johnson and May, and potential allies in other parties show no enthusiasm for working with him. Maybe, just maybe, the problem is Corbyn?
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