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[dwightschrute]

‘Projecting parliamentary seat outcomes from polling numbers during such a period of historic turbulence in party support is a very hazardous business. The normal method for generating seat projections – uniform national swings since the last general election – should therefore be interpreted with even greater caution than normal. In a five-cornered general election fight, of the kind indicated by our new poll, all sorts of peculiar localised dynamics might develop in different constituencies. But, for what it is worth, these are the seat projections that are generated from the results of the new poll:

Labour: 18 seats

Conservatives: 16 seats

Plaid Cymru: 4 seats

Liberal Democrats: 2 seats’

I see you struggle to read. The point he is making that Labour don’t have the same level of support that it did years ago. Pretend you know better all you want pal, but it seems the wheels are coming off, no matter how hard you want to yodel into Corbyns ring piece or whatever that’s about.

Not sure you can pin the blame mainly on Corbyn when it comes to Welsh Labour support falling (though I'm sure he shares some of the blame r.e. Brexit). Like Scottish Labour, Welsh Labour might as well be a different party to Westminster/Corbynite Labour. The Welsh NHS is the worst in the UK and its devolved (partly Labours fault but also tories for not providing enough funding), Mark Drakeford the leader is pretty much unknown to Welsh people and centre left at best and general funding in Wales for most areas is poor thanks to central government (which the tories conveniently blame on Labour and local councils).

Also if you pay attention to Welsh politics you'd see Plaid have outflanked Labour as the most left wing party in the country, have the most socialist policies and the most popular leader in Adam Price. Scottish Labour is a lost cause to the SNP and that rot started long before Corbyn, and now it looks like Welsh Labour is going the same way. Honestly I have no problem with Plaid winning most of Wales as they offer the most left wing agenda, and would be a good coalition with Corbyn's English Labour. The main worry is with FPTP Plaid doing good and Labour tanking in Wales would mean Tories slip in through the back door.

 

[zzr45]

Not sure you can pin the blame mainly on Corbyn when it comes to Welsh Labour support falling (though I'm sure he shares some of the blame r.e. Brexit). Like Scottish Labour, Welsh Labour might as well be a different party to Westminster/Corbynite Labour. The Welsh NHS is the worst in the UK and its devolved (partly Labours fault but also tories for not providing enough funding), Mark Drakeford the leader is pretty much unknown to Welsh people and centre left at best and general funding in Wales for most areas is poor thanks to central government (which the tories conveniently blame on Labour and local councils).

Also if you pay attention to Welsh politics you'd see Plaid have outflanked Labour as the most left wing party in the country, have the most socialist policies and the most popular leader in Adam Price. Scottish Labour is a lost cause to the SNP and that rot started long before Corbyn, and now it looks like Welsh Labour is going the same way. Honestly I have no problem with Plaid winning most of Wales as they offer the most left wing agenda, and would be a good coalition with Corbyn's English Labour. The main worry is with FPTP Plaid doing good and Labour tanking in Wales would mean Tories slip in through the back door.

I’m not blaming Corbyn at all (although I’m sure it’s an element) they’ve had votes taken by so many different parties though, but some on here like to pretend it’s all a smear on Saint Jezza.

 

[summerisle]

Frank Field setting up his own party. lol

Birkenhead MP Frank Field to stand as new social justice candidate

Frank Field will stand for the Birkenhead Social Justice Party at the next general election.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

‘Projecting parliamentary seat outcomes from polling numbers during such a period of historic turbulence in party support is a very hazardous business. The normal method for generating seat projections – uniform national swings since the last general election – should therefore be interpreted with even greater caution than normal. In a five-cornered general election fight, of the kind indicated by our new poll, all sorts of peculiar localised dynamics might develop in different constituencies. But, for what it is worth, these are the seat projections that are generated from the results of the new poll:

Labour: 18 seats

Conservatives: 16 seats

Plaid Cymru: 4 seats

Liberal Democrats: 2 seats’

I see you struggle to read. The point he is making that Labour don’t have the same level of support that it did years ago. Pretend you know better all you want pal, but it seems the wheels are coming off, no matter how hard you want to yodel into Corbyns ring piece or whatever that’s about.

Too much Pendryn me lad, just like May in 2017 during her walking holiday in Dolgellau...Polls the Polls blame it on the polls...

 

[davek]

Frank Field, "Social Justice" candidate.

Lol.

He'll have his arse handed to him.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Good grief is the Guardian finally smelling the fair trade coffee... Whatever the step, it's in the right direction.

Jeremy Corbyn’s stance on Brexit could yet pay off, even for remainers. Here’s why | Joseph Harker

Like Boris Johnson, I’m an optimist. In fact, the more I see of him, the more optimistic I get for a Labour election victory, says Joseph Harker, Guardian deputy Opinion editor

amp.theguardian.com

 

[tsubaki]

Good grief is the Guardian finally smelling the fair trade coffee... Whatever the step, it's in the right direction.

Jeremy Corbyn’s stance on Brexit could yet pay off, even for remainers. Here’s why | Joseph Harker

Like Boris Johnson, I’m an optimist. In fact, the more I see of him, the more optimistic I get for a Labour election victory, says Joseph Harker, Guardian deputy Opinion editor

amp.theguardian.com

The Guardian does have some quality still - him, Younge, Thomas Frank (who wrote the most spot on explanation for why Clinton lost in 2016 that you will ever read), Chakrabortty and a few others.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The Guardian does have some quality still - him, Younge, Thomas Frank (who wrote the most spot on explanation for why Clinton lost on 2016 that you will ever read), Chakrabortty and a few others.

Don't forget Monbiot Reg.

 

[tsubaki]

Don't forget Monbiot Reg.

Its been nearly eleven years since his last great article though.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Its been nearly eleven years since his last great article though.

He's a bit preachy for my personal tastes, but he's the only one I've heard of from your canon.

 

[tsubaki]

He's a bit preachy for my personal tastes, but he's the only one I've heard of from your canon.

You'd like Gary Younge - his radio programme about the bombing of the 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham, Alabama and the subsequent assistance from a Welsh artist (funded by the people of Wales) is great (there is an accompanying article about it here).

(edited to correct the name of the church)

 

[summerisle]

Back in the lead.

 

[peteblue]

Back in the lead.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Back in the lead.

Can't see leave voters going for the Brexit party and letting in the remainers into no.10.

All that shows is that the Tories have somehow managed to put someone in charge who polarises in the same way as the opposition leader. If there was a more medium candidate in charge of either they would romp home.

 

[summerisle]

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YouGov lol The only pollsters who consistently have the Tories ahead, usually by a large margin.