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[Khalekan]

So if you automatically have to vote for Labour to be a Labour member, I'm not sure how that isn't purging people who don't support Corbyn?

It seems an unenforceable rule to me,

I live in a safe Labour seat so it wouldn’t apply to me if I was still a party member.

But......happen I lived in a Tory/Liberal marginal I would mist certainly be voting Lib Dem even I still had my card.

And they would never know.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

She didn’t win, Bruce, that was her problem.

The Parliament was “hung” and she had to get another party to prop her up.

She was never in charge, she had neither legitimacy nor authority.....she was a lame duck Premier because she never won a majority in 2017.

Sure, she didn't win a majority, but she still got more votes than Corbyn, which is kind of the point. Since then, we've seen a good number of remain voting lefties desert Labour for the Greens and the Lib Dems, but listen to Labourites and not only do they see no problem with that, but they rub their hands with glee that ideological impurities have been purged from the party. How they ever hope to win a general election is beyond me.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Boris will absolutely trash Corbyn and his miserable crowd in an election......

I don't think he'll absolutely trash him, loads of people will be torn seeing this as a choice of being punched in the head or having a kick to the balls. I expect Boris to win just on the fact a populist Tory party more often than not will beat a populist Labour one. Perhaps gain a 50-75 seat majority in the HoC.

 

[degsy]

What are these centrist issues?

Tory - lite, nowt but tory - lite or as Blair called it, New Labour.

Corbyn (imo) is doctrinaire labour. They might think of it as 'old labour' but true old labour was made redundant by by their own success at workplace reform and the increasing post war prosperity of the 50s and 60s. MacMillan's 'you've never had it so good.'
But all, Wilson, Heath, Wilson, Callaghan, Blair (look! I'm not john major, gotta be worth voting for)...well Brown actually, Blair having timed his leaving to perfection...were all undone by MacMillans other quotable quote about 'Events'.
Oil crisis, 3 day week, inflation, miners, falling pound, strikes, crisis, what crisis, etc.
Brown walked into Blairs hospital pass - the GFC.

 

[degsy]

Kinda why Johnson feels able to call a snap general election.

What would you call 'snap' before 31st Oct, or after?
Asking for a friend.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Tory - lite, nowt but tory - lite or as Blair called it, New Labour.

Corbyn (imo) is doctrinaire labour. They might think of it as 'old labour' but true old labour was made redundant by by their own success at workplace reform and the increasing post war prosperity of the 50s and 60s. MacMillan's 'you've never had it so good.'
But all, Wilson, Heath, Wilson, Callaghan, Blair (look! I'm not john major, gotta be worth voting for)...well Brown actually, Blair having timed his leaving to perfection...were all undone by MacMillans other quotable quote about 'Events'.
Oil crisis, 3 day week, inflation, miners, falling pound, strikes, crisis, what crisis, etc.
Brown walked into Blairs hospital pass - the GFC.

If you use the four square political compass thing, you suspect many Brexiters are both economically and socially conservative. Both Blair and Cameron were to a large extent economically and socially liberal. Corbyn is socially liberal and economically socialist, whereas a good many (Brexit supporting) Labour folk are socially conservative, which is why they voted leave. It's no coincidence that those most opposed to Corbyn, even among Labour voters, are older, more socially conservative people who are probably more characterized by Joey than they are Corbyn.

So if Corbyn wants to persist by having liberal social values but socialist economic ones, I feel that's a pretty narrow market he's going after, and not sufficient to win a general election. Blair understood that, but it seems Corbyn has yet to.

What would you call 'snap' before 31st Oct, or after?
Asking for a friend.

Before.

 

[davek]

"Alastair Campbell has said he no longer wishes to be a Labour Party member, warning that Jeremy Corbyn is poised to lose the next general election against Boris Johnson and destroy the party “as a political force capable of winning power”. In an open letter to Corbyn, Tony Blair’s former No 10 director of communications, who originally intended to fight his expulsion from Labour for voting Liberal Democrat in the European elections, wrote: “With some sadness but absolute certainty, I have reached the conclusion that I no longer wish to stay in the party, even if I should be successful in my appeal or legal challenge.” Campbell added in his article for the New European: “I see no strategy in place that remotely meets the electoral or policy challenges ahead.”

Result!!!

 

[degsy]

If you use the four square political compass thing, you suspect many Brexiters are both economically and socially conservative. Both Blair and Cameron were to a large extent economically and socially liberal. Corbyn is socially liberal and economically socialist, whereas a good many (Brexit supporting) Labour folk are socially conservative, which is why they voted leave. It's no coincidence that those most opposed to Corbyn, even among Labour voters, are older, more socially conservative people who are probably more characterized by Joey than they are Corbyn.

So if Corbyn wants to persist by having liberal social values but socialist economic ones, I feel that's a pretty narrow market he's going after, and not sufficient to win a general election. Blair understood that, but it seems Corbyn has yet to.

Before.

You maybe right, but those compass squares can be misleading. I end up near bang in the middle, my old Wilsonite labour views from a workers point of view are leftish. But are cancelled out by rightish views on law and order and such.
It all depends on the questions to an extent.

Just a feeling, but I can't see him going before tbh.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

You maybe right, but those compass squares can be misleading. I end up near bang in the middle, my old Wilsonite labour views from a workers point of view are leftish. But are cancelled out by rightish views on law and order and such.
It all depends on the questions to an extent.

Just a feeling, but I can't see him going before tbh.

No, I can't see him going either, which is precisely why Johnson is likely to call an election as soon as possible. He sees a lame duck opposition and the chance to win a mandate for an extreme form of Brexit.

 

[degsy]

No, I can't see him going either, which is precisely why Johnson is likely to call an election as soon as possible. He sees a lame duck opposition and the chance to win a mandate for an extreme form of Brexit.

Who knows what actually goes on behind the bumbling boris facade, if anything.
Is he just lucky, right place right time.
Does he have an unconscious natural ability to guage the public mood / see which way the wind is blowing
Or heaven forbid, he has very good advisors and he actually listens to them...whoever they are...didn't a taxi driver once win mastermind

Many wondered why, when it seemed his for the taking, did he walk away and let May have the job.

*your riddle, mystery, enigma quote here*

 

[zzr45]

If you don’t like Corbyn you’re a hateful racist that wants to kill people.

 

[peteblue]

If you don’t like Corbyn you’re a hateful racist that wants to kill people.

Sounds like a typical balanced view from the left......

 

[davek]

No, I can't see him going either, which is precisely why Johnson is likely to call an election as soon as possible. He sees a lame duck opposition and the chance to win a mandate for an extreme form of Brexit.

Lame duck opposition who are behind in two of the major weekend polls at the weekend by only 1% and 2% after the 'Boris Bounce'. Only YouGov (which uses a methodology that is heavily weighted against Labour) has a sizeable Tory lead.

A snap election will be fought on more issues than Brexit - the whole range of issues will be discussed: NHS (the Tory's will crater in that especially with the Trump revelation the Tories tried to sit on), the economy (with incredibly the CBI not supporting the Tories), Housing (where there is a crisis), Education, Welfare....

What on earth makes you think Johnson will want to call an election before Oct 31st? His only chance of remaining as PM is to try and define as a victory the inevitable climb down and deal with the EU. If he gets away with that and gets Brexit over the line then he'd go for a quick election in late autumn.

Johnson is a serial screw up. He will continually make calamity after calamity, because he's not that bright.

 

[DanEFC92]

Sounds like a typical balanced view from the left......

Aye. Say what you want about Pete but you can never say he isn't balanced in his views. Mr Zen we call him...

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Lame duck opposition who are behind in two of the major weekend polls at the weekend by only 1% and 2% after the 'Boris Bounce'. Only YouGov (which uses a methodology that is heavily weighted against Labour) has a sizeable Tory lead.

A snap election will be fought on more issues than Brexit - the whole range of issues will be discussed: NHS (the Tory's will crater in that especially with the Trump revelation the Tories tried to sit on), the economy (with incredibly the CBI not supporting the Tories), Housing (where there is a crisis), Education, Welfare....

What on earth makes you think Johnson will want to call an election before Oct 31st? His only chance of remaining as PM is to try and define as a victory the inevitable climb down and deal with the EU. If he gets away with that and gets Brexit over the line then he'd go for a quick election in late autumn.

Johnson is a serial screw up. He will continually make calamity after calamity, because he's not that bright.

Yes, lame duck opposition. Both Tories and Labour support has plummeted in recent months, with Labour losing votes to the Lib Dems and the Greens, and Tories to the Brexit Party. I fully expect Johnson to go full no deal mode to try and hoover up the Brexit Party votes, but what are Labour doing to attract voters back from the Lib Dems? It seems to me that they're just hoping that the first past the post system will convince enough that Labour are the only viable alternative to a hard Brexit, which is a huge gamble. Had Labour had a different leader I suspect the Lib Dem/Green bounce simply wouldn't have happened to begin with.