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[Bruce Wayne]

Kinda why Johnson feels able to call a snap general election.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Kinda why Johnson feels able to call a snap general election.

Bring on an election and Purdah period, just like last time, right and neo-liberals have to pipe down and talk policy rather than empty rhetoric and vain personality politics. For the majority of the electorate it's Johnson and his sect or Labour.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Bring on an election and Purdah period, just like last time, right and neo-liberals have to pipe down and talk policy rather than empty rhetoric and vain personality politics. For the majority of the electorate it's Johnson and his sect or Labour.

I'm not sure Johnson will be anywhere near as awful as May was during the 2017 campaign (which she still won, in case we've forgotten!). If anything I'm inclined to think he's a much better campaigner than he is a doer. Empty promises are his stock and trade.

 

[peteblue]

I'm not sure Johnson will be anywhere near as awful as May was during the 2017 campaign (which she still won, in case we've forgotten!). If anything I'm inclined to think he's a much better campaigner than he is a doer. Empty promises are his stock and trade.

He should have been used at the last election, May purposely kept him down wanting it to be all about her, fatal mistake. Boris will absolutely trash Corbyn and his miserable crowd in an election......

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I'm not sure Johnson will be anywhere near as awful as May was during the 2017 campaign (which she still won, in case we've forgotten!). If anything I'm inclined to think he's a much better campaigner than he is a doer. Empty promises are his stock and trade.

Well Mays bounce when she became PM was much bigger...

Sitting PMs always have good approval ratings, opposition leaders rarely do, due to the unknown factor.

And Labour are much closer if not ahead in some polls, that's if I don't judge people the same as myself, and always put myself down as a Tory voter...

All Johnson has done is promise a box of choccies to the converted, that's the easy bit... All in the silly season of politics, could not be any easier for a PM when all the big politicos are away on the holidays...

 

[peteblue]

Maybe I'm wrong then but I personally identify far more with Campbell's view of Labour than I do Corbyn's. For example I'm totally against nationalisation as a seeming blanket policy.

It pains me that the Momentum/Corbyn wing seem to ignore the reality that we (Labour) appear to be making zero impact on without doubt the worst Tory government in a century.

I raised similar points before and after he was made leader. blair was a liar and a warmonger, but he knew how to win an election and had a certain appeal to people, a charm. Brown was a disaster and took the party down, Miliband was an absolute fruitcake who would never lead and his tombstone said it all, so further down the slope and up popped Corbyn an aged Marxist who was put forward as a joke and won. Now I think he completely outplayed May at the last election, he promised everything to everyone and somehow also managed to engage the snowflake vote. If the vote period had continued for another week or two I seriously believe he would have won. But his performances since have been dire, he cannot score open goals and he was on a downward spiral against a May led government, he will be torn apart by the energy of Boris. However I do struggle to see any other Labour leader of note. Keir Starmer is like Jeremy Hunt for me, an empty vessel, and he will no doubt be the one who takes over....

 

[johnblue23]

Err, he was kinda suspended for voting Lib Dem in the EU elections, and was only allowed back in if he a) never voted anyone but Labour again, and b) went public saying as much. It's not exactly a ringing endorsement for freedom is it?

Not unusual for a political party to remind members of the rules.

Sam Gorst was reminded of Labour party standards when he was cleared of anti semitism.

Cllr Sam Gorst on Twitter: "Over the past few months, I have been ...

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Not unusual for a political party to remind members of the rules.

Sam Gorst was reminded of Labour party standards when he was cleared of anti semitism.

Cllr Sam Gorst on Twitter: "Over the past few months, I have been ...

And it's a Labour party rule that you have to vote for the party in every election?

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I agree and most of my colleagues and contacts in work, whilst appalled by a Boris Brexit, are even more appalled at the idea of a Corbyn-led government.

I am always worried at the idea that a huge cohort of the Momentum wing see themselves as such idealists that they'd rather not even contemplate a more centrist stance on certain issues to maintain intellectual purity. And then almost to hell with the majority of the electorate that goes elsewhere.

With the dangers facing the UK today we need a pragmatic left of centre party to fight the Tories.

What were your CAC votes? Still time, September 12th the election closes, fight from the inside

 

[johnblue23]

I agree and most of my colleagues and contacts in work, whilst appalled by a Boris Brexit, are even more appalled at the idea of a Corbyn-led government.

I am always worried at the idea that a huge cohort of the Momentum wing see themselves as such idealists that they'd rather not even contemplate a more centrist stance on certain issues to maintain intellectual purity. And then almost to hell with the majority of the electorate that goes elsewhere.

With the dangers facing the UK today we need a pragmatic left of centre party to fight the Tories.

The people I work with or converse with are not put off by Corbyn at all. Some of them that say 'what's the point in voting, they're all the same' would get out and vote for Corbyn.

Who represents the 'pragmatic left of centre' political strand or individuals in the Labour party?

 

[johnblue23]

And it's a Labour party rule that you have to vote for the party in every election?

As shown from the article earlier.


No Labour grandee is above the rules of the party – Alastair Campbell had to go
The rules the rest of the membership have to adhere to should also be applied to Blair’s former spin doctor. It really is that simple

• Lara McNeill @lara_eleanor
• Saturday 1 June 2019 17:00

Don’t be deceived: Alastair Campbell knew exactly what he was doing when he publicly declared his support for an opposition party, not least the party that propped up cruel Tory austerity and supported benefit cuts in exchange for a 5p plastic bag charge when in coalition.
Despite his statement that he is “and always will be Labour”, he did vote Liberal Democrat and the Labour Party rulebook (chapter 2 paragraph 4, to be precise) clearly states that members who support a party other than Labour are automatically ineligible for membership.

 

[Khalekan]

However, he is the best thing that happened to Brexit. Any competent opposition leader could have killed it, praise be Jeremy..........

Indeed.

Corbyn’s lackadaisical attitude to Brexit both during the campaign and throughout the ensuing fiasco has been a major part of the problem.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

As shown from the article earlier.


No Labour grandee is above the rules of the party – Alastair Campbell had to go
The rules the rest of the membership have to adhere to should also be applied to Blair’s former spin doctor. It really is that simple

• Lara McNeill @lara_eleanor
• Saturday 1 June 2019 17:00

Don’t be deceived: Alastair Campbell knew exactly what he was doing when he publicly declared his support for an opposition party, not least the party that propped up cruel Tory austerity and supported benefit cuts in exchange for a 5p plastic bag charge when in coalition.
Despite his statement that he is “and always will be Labour”, he did vote Liberal Democrat and the Labour Party rulebook (chapter 2 paragraph 4, to be precise) clearly states that members who support a party other than Labour are automatically ineligible for membership.

So if you automatically have to vote for Labour to be a Labour member, I'm not sure how that isn't purging people who don't support Corbyn?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It's also perhaps worth remembering the sheer glee that many Labour folk showed when Chukka et al moved elsewhere, and the disdain showed both towards them and towards Jo Swinson upon her election to LD leader, and yet they want those same people to vote for them to stop Johnson ballsing the country up. Indeed, just a few posts up there was glee shared at Campbell leaving the party, yet there are people who think like Campbell who Labour are presumably courting in their peculiar way. I mean there might be logic in there somewhere, but I'm not sure I can see it.

 

[Khalekan]

I'm not sure Johnson will be anywhere near as awful as May was during the 2017 campaign (which she still won, in case we've forgotten!). If anything I'm inclined to think he's a much better campaigner than he is a doer. Empty promises are his stock and trade.

She didn’t win, Bruce, that was her problem.

The Parliament was “hung” and she had to get another party to prop her up.

She was never in charge, she had neither legitimacy nor authority.....she was a lame duck Premier because she never won a majority in 2017.