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[orchard]

Must be me then. A senior Labour bloke was on 5 Live earlier, and when he was asked what he/they supported, it was to respect the referendum, unless it was a no deal leave in October, then they would want a 2nd referendum, then a GE.

None of which respects the referendum, and the following 3 points would need a HOC vote. So no, I dont actually see if they are pro or anti leaving. Or remaining.

Its not just them, dont get me wrong, but them suggesting they are in some way presenting a clear and unified Brexit solution is in the same ball park as the stuff the BP and others conjure up.

It's nuanced admittedly, because i very much doubt they would support any leave that didn't maintain working/environmental/consumer standards of at least equal to the eu's.

 

[GwladysBlue]

Is that what the labour voters want ? Will remaining in the EU allow Labour to nationalise the Industries it wishes to do ? Or is this just another way of trying to fool the electorate as Labour did in the GE by saying they will respect the Leave vote......

Labour fool the electorate? The Leave campaign was built on a false campaign that we send the EU £350m p/w!

 

[orchard]

Labour fool the electorate? The Leave campaign was built on a false campaign that we send the EU £350m p/w!

I wouldn't even bother mate, labour didn't get elected on a manifesto, nor did the Con's honour theirs, nor was it a single issue vote.

 

[orchard]

Labour fool the electorate? The Leave campaign was built on a false campaign that we send the EU £350m p/w!

Oh, and the leave vote does not equal hard brexit, but like i mentioned, too fubar and clichéd to warrant a serious reply.

 

[catcherintherye]

Is that what the labour voters want ? Will remaining in the EU allow Labour to nationalise the Industries it wishes to do ? Or is this just another way of trying to fool the electorate as Labour did in the GE by saying they will respect the Leave vote......

The problem is Pete, it is what most Labour voters want. I am generally quite supportive of the leadership and not wholly critical of their attitude to Brexit, but it can't be denied that at membership and voter level they are a remain party (though with a substantial minority of leave voters).

 

[Joey66]

The problem is Pete, it is what most Labour voters want. I am generally quite supportive of the leadership and not wholly critical of their attitude to Brexit, but it can't be denied that at membership and voter level they are a remain party (though with a substantial minority of leave voters).

5 millions not that minute in northern marginal seats.....

 

[orchard]

5 millions not that minute in northern marginal seats.....

Need to hope they're not all idiots.

 

[Joey66]

Need to hope they're not all idiots.

Once you vote for something democraticly - I doubt few will change their mind the leaders caution of not accepting the remain stance ...,.

 

[orchard]

Once you vote for something democraticly - I doubt few will change their mind the leaders caution of not accepting the remain stance ...,.

What do you mean 'remain stance'?
Your leader told you that anything except a 'no-deal' = remain now?

 

[Joey66]

What do you mean 'remain stance'?
Your leader told you that anything except a 'no-deal' = remain now?

Certain quarters of the Labour party are pushing Corbyn to become aRemain party .....

 

[orchard]

Certain quarters of the Labour party are pushing Corbyn to become aRemain party .....

There have been for ages, and a few loons who want no deal too, but as i posted earlier, the Labour acid-test appears to be only a brexit that maintains standards, not a race to the bottom/sell-out of sovereignty to the US, and ensure it's desirable to the public via a referendum.

 

[peteblue]

The problem is Pete, it is what most Labour voters want. I am generally quite supportive of the leadership and not wholly critical of their attitude to Brexit, but it can't be denied that at membership and voter level they are a remain party (though with a substantial minority of leave voters).

So that the first part of my question, what about the nationalisation of businesses that the Eu will not allow....

 

[tsubaki]

So that the first part of my question, what about the nationalisation of businesses that the Eu will not allow....

the EU does allow nationalisation of businesses, pete

 

[Joey66]

the EU does allow nationalisation of businesses, pete

yes they do existing ones ... not renationalisation......
They always have in it for us its at their discretion nationalisation...... OH and I read this one........end paragraph -

Are EU rules stopping Britain from re-nationalising its railways? It depends what you mean by 'nationalise'

Planes, Trains and Autobahns: Public ownership of railways has become a totemic issue on the left

www.independent.co.uk

As they stand, EU rules certainly do not mandate the UK’s railways being as privately operated as they are now, and they probably never will. But in practice, the latest regulations will make it impossible to get rid of private operators entirely. In short, it would be possible to recreate British Rail, but not to have it running the whole system in the way it did before privatisation. Ultimately, the answer to whether EU rules stop Britain nationalising its railways is: it depends on what you mean by nationalising them.

Not the Corbyn - Mcdonnell promise is it?

 

[tsubaki]

yes they do existing ones ... not renationalisation......
They always have in it for us its at their discretion nationalisation...... OH and I read this one........end paragraph -

Are EU rules stopping Britain from re-nationalising its railways? It depends what you mean by 'nationalise'

Planes, Trains and Autobahns: Public ownership of railways has become a totemic issue on the left

www.independent.co.uk

As they stand, EU rules certainly do not mandate the UK’s railways being as privately operated as they are now, and they probably never will. But in practice, the latest regulations will make it impossible to get rid of private operators entirely. In short, it would be possible to recreate British Rail, but not to have it running the whole system in the way it did before privatisation. Ultimately, the answer to whether EU rules stop Britain nationalising its railways is: it depends on what you mean by nationalising them.

Not the Corbyn - Mcdonnell promise is it?

Joey you've managed to ignore the entirity of that piece to focus on the end of it, which even then doesn't say what you think it means.

You could absolutely renationalize the railways by bringing the franchises back in-house as they expire (or as the private firms give them up) - which is what McDonnell wants to do. What EU rules would require the state to do is to allow private firms fair access to the network, which they would have (indeed they'd probably have better access to it than now because the moderation of competition clauses that are written into most of the contracts would not exist) - McDonnell (or Corbyn) never said that they wouldn't.