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[DrSocrates]

No election in the near future.

There will have to be a GE as there is no mandate.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

No election in the near future.

If reports are true that Farage is in meetings with Priti Patel (key backer of Johnson), I can only assume they are planning a coming together to beat Labour in forthcoming general election.

The electorate will have clear choice of Government, if Johnson wins, Conservative Party held together by Farage and his far right vote. Or Labour.

With Hunt or Johnson as PM nothing changes in Parliament until an election changes the numbers. Had May won her election with clear majority her plan with backstop would have been signed off long ago and Austerity would be still ongoing as now but loud and proud with its foot still on the knecks of the most disadvantaged.

 

[GwladysBlue]

Labour needs to throw all its weight behind another referendum and actively campaign for Remain.

 

[roydo]

Labour needs to throw all its weight behind another referendum and actively campaign for Remain.

But that would alienate a huge number of core voters in Wales and the North. Tis a pickle for them all this.

And thats before the inconvenient truth that Corbyn aint exactly a europhile.

 

[orchard]

Found Benn's multi

 

[orchard]

But that would alienate a huge number of core voters in Wales and the North. Tis a pickle for them all this.

And thats before the inconvenient truth that Corbyn aint exactly a europhile.

Aren't they already fully in on a government/parliament solution vs remain vote?

 

[GwladysBlue]

But that would alienate a huge number of core voters in Wales and the North. Tis a pickle for them all this.

And thats before the inconvenient truth that Corbyn aint exactly a europhile.

But a lot of votes could come in from smaller parties who Labour have already lost votes to. Realistically, only Labour can stop Brexit from happening. It’s the only way Labour are getting back into power any time soon.

 

[roydo]

Aren't they already fully in on a government/parliament solution vs remain vote?

Dunno. Not sure anyone does. Know exactly they are saying about it that is.

 

[roydo]

But a lot of votes could come in from smaller parties who Labour have already lost votes to. Realistically, only Labour can stop Brexit from happening. It’s the only way Labour are getting back into power any time soon.

Could do I guess. But way off being a nailed on situation.

 

[catcherintherye]

If reports are true that Farage is in meetings with Priti Patel (key backer of Johnson), I can only assume they are planning a coming together to beat Labour in forthcoming general election.

The electorate will have clear choice of Government, if Johnson wins, Conservative Party held together by Farage and his far right vote. Or Labour.

With Hunt or Johnson as PM nothing changes in Parliament until an election changes the numbers. Had May won her election with clear majority her plan with backstop would have been signed off long ago and Austerity would be still ongoing as now but loud and proud with its foot still on the knecks of the most disadvantaged.

There is a number of big jumps there. They could be meeting for a range of things, but most logically would probably be the potential for Farage to have a formal/informal role in Brexit negotiations.

Farage has never come close to any sort of arrange with the Conservatives and has spent a lot of time attacking Johnson. He's a very astute man and in truth it would be a disaster for his party if he went into coalition with the Conservatives. He stands on the brink of leading a party that hegemonises the right wing vote. You can never rule anything out in politics but he would lose an awful lot of support from people, who vote for them primarily because they are not the Conservatives.

Such a move would also help Labour too. It would pull loose voters back to them, as it would be facing a nightmare scenario (in theory) of a no deal Brexit.

They would also lose a fair bit of support from centrist Tories. Suffice to say I don't believe it will happen.

 

[orchard]

Dunno. Not sure anyone does. Know exactly they are saying about it that is.

I thought that they've been pretty transparent about their stance with the extreme brexit and remain proponents muddying the waters to garner support.

 

[tsubaki]

There is a number of big jumps there. They could be meeting for a range of things, but most logically would probably be the potential for Farage to have a formal/informal role in Brexit negotiations.

Farage has never come close to any sort of arrange with the Conservatives and has spent a lot of time attacking Johnson. He's a very astute man and in truth it would be a disaster for his party if he went into coalition with the Conservatives. He stands on the brink of leading a party that hegemonises the right wing vote. You can never rule anything out in politics but he would lose an awful lot of support from people, who vote for them primarily because they are not the Conservatives.

Such a move would also help Labour too. It would pull loose voters back to them, as it would be facing a nightmare scenario (in theory) of a no deal Brexit.

They would also lose a fair bit of support from centrist Tories. Suffice to say I don't believe it will happen.

Normally I'd agree with this very clear headed analysis of right wing politics here in the UK, but I think at the moment that side of things is so messed up and so reliant on money / support from overseas that logic cannot be relied on any longer.

A BP / Tory Pact really would absolutely mean the death of one (or both) of those parties, but to say they would avoid that outcome as a result does sort of ignore the fact that a lot of the people involved in the Boris campaign (and by extention that pact) are those who are a lot closer to each other than they are to either party, and that they want Brexit over and above anything else. It is also worth pointing out that the only part of the Tory Party that is well-funded now is exactly the part that is backing Boris, the rest (especially the Tory Remain side) has no money and is under savage attack.

Look at the reaction to this story for instance, in which a lot of the proper Tories (and the membership, judging by the polling drop Boris has had - he is now below Hunt) reacted with a mix of horror and disappointment, but the media / commentators / wonks (Toby Young, Darren Grimes, Chloe Westley, Allison Pearson, Guido, Harry Cole, at least four of the major right-wing papers etc) almost unanimously backed Boris and with all their usual mendacity claimed that people now support him even more.

 

[roydo]

I thought that they've been pretty transparent about their stance with the extreme brexit and remain proponents muddying the waters to garner support.

Must be me then. A senior Labour bloke was on 5 Live earlier, and when he was asked what he/they supported, it was to respect the referendum, unless it was a no deal leave in October, then they would want a 2nd referendum, then a GE.

None of which respects the referendum, and the following 3 points would need a HOC vote. So no, I dont actually see if they are pro or anti leaving. Or remaining.

Its not just them, dont get me wrong, but them suggesting they are in some way presenting a clear and unified Brexit solution is in the same ball park as the stuff the BP and others conjure up.

 

[peteblue]

Labour needs to throw all its weight behind another referendum and actively campaign for Remain.

Is that what the labour voters want ? Will remaining in the EU allow Labour to nationalise the Industries it wishes to do ? Or is this just another way of trying to fool the electorate as Labour did in the GE by saying they will respect the Leave vote......

 

[peteblue]

Must be me then. A senior Labour bloke was on 5 Live earlier, and when he was asked what he/they supported, it was to respect the referendum, unless it was a no deal leave in October, then they would want a 2nd referendum, then a GE.

None of which respects the referendum, and the following 3 points would need a HOC vote. So no, I dont actually see if they are pro or anti leaving. Or remaining.

Its not just them, dont get me wrong, but them suggesting they are in some way presenting a clear and unified Brexit solution is in the same ball park as the stuff the BP and others conjure up.

Indeed. They want to be all things to all men and women, but really just want a GE.......