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I'm a Labour Party member, have been my whole life, I have seen it first hand in the party. It is often cloaked under anti-Israeli sentiment but it exists. For example, perhaps in someone responding to this question 'There were about 80 MPs in LFI. How many leave before antisemitism is dealt with?' with this response, 'All of them hopefully. Get the Zionists out of the LP. They support an apartheid state.'
I'm not a supporter of the Israeli states actions, and I support the Palestinian people. I do not support cloaking this support in antisemitism. It happen and it needs to be faced up to - even if it is being used by certain sections to beat the Labour party, that doesn't change it exists.

Genuine question as I get left confused where we are up to with definitions, but in that response you quote what is the anti semitic part?
No wind up, no goading, just a genuine question I need explaining for future reference please. TIA.
 
Genuine question as I get left confused where we are up to with definitions, but in that response you quote what is the anti semitic part?
No wind up, no goading, just a genuine question I need explaining for future reference please. TIA.

The response to 'how many need to leave before it is dealt with?' is 'all of them'. That he would rather people believed antisemitism was rife in the LP (and I do believe it has a problem with it) and forced out of it, than to tackle it.
 
The response to 'how many need to leave before it is dealt with?' is 'all of them'. That he would rather people believed antisemitism was rife in the LP (and I do believe it has a problem with it) and forced out of it, than to tackle it.

I still don't see the anti semitism, unless every single member of LFI was jewish, which I don't think they are, or are they? That's around 25% of the PLP give or take.
What is the actual purpose of LFI, or the CFI for that matter? How many sitting MPs are 'friends of Israel', for context.
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I sort of see the point but it's not clear cut.
 
I still don't see the anti semitism, unless every single member of LFI was jewish, which I don't think they are, or are they? That's around 25% of the PLP give or take.
What is the actual purpose of LFI, or the CFI for that matter? How many sitting MPs are 'friends of Israel', for context.
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I sort of see the point but it's not clear cut.
the idea of this 'friends of israel' concept seems far more septic and dangerous than anything else I've read about in this discussion
 
the idea of this 'friends of israel' concept seems far more septic and dangerous than anything else I've read about in this discussion
Are there any other 'friends of' groups of equal measure? I can't see how lobbying of this size can't be balanced and not prejudicial in the governance of this country, whatever the grouping.
 
The antisemitism in Labour is so trumped up as to be ridiculous. Of course it exists, but making out it's institutional is to lie through the teeth. Really.

Last year, a widely-endorsed 2018 academic report found ninety-five serious reporting failures in the reporting of the Labour antisemitism story with the worst offenders being The Sun, The Mail & the BBC.

On 28 February 2016, five months after becoming leader, Jeremy Corbyn appointed Baroness Royall to investigate antisemitism at Oxford University Labour Club.

On 27 April 2016 Labour suspended an MP pending an investigation into antisemitism.

A day later, Labour suspended the three times Mayor of London after complaints of antisemitic comments. He is no longer a member of the party.

On 29 April 2016, Corbyn launched an inquiry into the prevalence of antisemitism in the Labour Party. In spite of later changes in how the inquiry was reported, it was initially praised by Jewish community organisations.

In Corbyn’s first seven months as leader of the Labour Party, ten complaints were received about antisemitism. 9 of those complained about were suspended from the Labour Party within 24 hours.

In September 2017, Corbyn backed a motion at Labour’s annual conference introducing a new set of rules regarding antisemitism.

In the six months that followed the introduction of the new code of conduct, to March 2018, 94% of the fifty-four people accused of antisemitism remained suspended or barred from Labour Party membership. Three of the fifty-four were exonerated.

When Jennie Formby became general secretary of the party last year, she appointed a highly-qualified in-house Counsel, as recommended in the Chakrabarti Report.

In 2018, Labour almost doubled the size of its staff team handling investigations and dispute processes.

Last year, to speed up the handling of antisemitism cases, smaller panels of 3-5 NEC members were established to enable cases to be heard more quickly.

Since 2018, every complaint made about antisemitism is allocated its own independent specialist barrister to ensure due process is followed.

The entire backlog of cases outstanding upon Jennie Formby becoming General Secretary of the Labour Party was cleared within 6 months of Jennie taking up her post.

Since September 2018, Labour has doubled the size of its National Constitutional Committee (NCC) – its senior disciplinary panel – from 11 to 25 members to enable it to process cases more quickly.

Under Formby and Labour’s left-run NEC, NCC arranged elections at short notice to ensure the NCC reached its new full capacity without delay.

Since later 2018, the NCC routinely convenes a greater number of hearing panels to allow cases to be heard and finalised without delay.

In 2018, the NEC established a ‘Procedures Working Group’ to lead reforms in the way disciplinary cases are handled.

The NEC adopted the IHRA working definition of antisemitism and all eleven examples of antisemitism attached to it.

A rule change agreed at Conference in 2018 means that all serious complaints, including antisemitism, are dealt with nationally to ensure consistency.

Last year, Jennie Formby wrote to the admins and moderators of Facebook groups about how they can effectively moderate online spaces and requested that any discriminatory content be reported to the Labour Party for investigation.

Since last year, no one outside Labour’s Governance and Legal Unit can be involved in decision-making on antisemitism investigations. This independence allows decisions free from political influence to be taken.

What more does the party need to do for the perception that "nothing's being done about it" to change?
 
The antisemitism in Labour is so trumped up as to be ridiculous. Of course it exists, but making out it's institutional is to lie through the teeth. Really.

Last year, a widely-endorsed 2018 academic report found ninety-five serious reporting failures in the reporting of the Labour antisemitism story with the worst offenders being The Sun, The Mail & the BBC.

On 28 February 2016, five months after becoming leader, Jeremy Corbyn appointed Baroness Royall to investigate antisemitism at Oxford University Labour Club.

On 27 April 2016 Labour suspended an MP pending an investigation into antisemitism.

A day later, Labour suspended the three times Mayor of London after complaints of antisemitic comments. He is no longer a member of the party.

On 29 April 2016, Corbyn launched an inquiry into the prevalence of antisemitism in the Labour Party. In spite of later changes in how the inquiry was reported, it was initially praised by Jewish community organisations.

In Corbyn’s first seven months as leader of the Labour Party, ten complaints were received about antisemitism. 9 of those complained about were suspended from the Labour Party within 24 hours.

In September 2017, Corbyn backed a motion at Labour’s annual conference introducing a new set of rules regarding antisemitism.

In the six months that followed the introduction of the new code of conduct, to March 2018, 94% of the fifty-four people accused of antisemitism remained suspended or barred from Labour Party membership. Three of the fifty-four were exonerated.

When Jennie Formby became general secretary of the party last year, she appointed a highly-qualified in-house Counsel, as recommended in the Chakrabarti Report.

In 2018, Labour almost doubled the size of its staff team handling investigations and dispute processes.

Last year, to speed up the handling of antisemitism cases, smaller panels of 3-5 NEC members were established to enable cases to be heard more quickly.

Since 2018, every complaint made about antisemitism is allocated its own independent specialist barrister to ensure due process is followed.

The entire backlog of cases outstanding upon Jennie Formby becoming General Secretary of the Labour Party was cleared within 6 months of Jennie taking up her post.

Since September 2018, Labour has doubled the size of its National Constitutional Committee (NCC) – its senior disciplinary panel – from 11 to 25 members to enable it to process cases more quickly.

Under Formby and Labour’s left-run NEC, NCC arranged elections at short notice to ensure the NCC reached its new full capacity without delay.

Since later 2018, the NCC routinely convenes a greater number of hearing panels to allow cases to be heard and finalised without delay.

In 2018, the NEC established a ‘Procedures Working Group’ to lead reforms in the way disciplinary cases are handled.

The NEC adopted the IHRA working definition of antisemitism and all eleven examples of antisemitism attached to it.

A rule change agreed at Conference in 2018 means that all serious complaints, including antisemitism, are dealt with nationally to ensure consistency.

Last year, Jennie Formby wrote to the admins and moderators of Facebook groups about how they can effectively moderate online spaces and requested that any discriminatory content be reported to the Labour Party for investigation.

Since last year, no one outside Labour’s Governance and Legal Unit can be involved in decision-making on antisemitism investigations. This independence allows decisions free from political influence to be taken.

What more does the party need to do for the perception that "nothing's being done about it" to change?

It doesn't matter what they do. It's a sponsored smear campaign funded by a petrified and desperate establishment.
 
I still don't see the anti semitism, unless every single member of LFI was jewish, which I don't think they are, or are they? That's around 25% of the PLP give or take.
What is the actual purpose of LFI, or the CFI for that matter? How many sitting MPs are 'friends of Israel', for context.
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I sort of see the point but it's not clear cut.

I agree it is definitely not clear cut, as with a lot of prejudice or perceived prejudice it never is. It wasn't the people leaving, it was the suggestion that it was okay for a view of pervasive antisemitism to continue if it would mean the group of MPS would leave
 
Interesting , to me at least , that on 5 live and I think lbc we got both the statements and q&a wotg the 7 Labour mp’s whilst the Tory’s was just the statements . I don’t know if people are facing overload or if there was anything more to it .
 
I agree it is definitely not clear cut, as with a lot of prejudice or perceived prejudice it never is. It wasn't the people leaving, it was the suggestion that it was okay for a view of pervasive antisemitism to continue if it would mean the group of MPS would leave

Again, and this is not to be disingenuous, most of the portrayals by Hodge et al as anti semitic were 'suggested' or 'percieved' and the promotion of these as 'actual' in the way they were reported set the charge in the public psyche as 'factual'.
It is not dissimilar to propaganda used in the past. I have had to be careful in the words I chose there. But there are tactics, innuendo, hearsay, agendas, all abound in the politics of now. How great is the prize when dignity, honesty and integrity are given up so readily?
Very, very few in the Westminster circus play with a straight bat, Skinner and a few of the younger ones are all I can think of. Mhairi Black works with conviction in the same way Ocasio Cortez does in the US and I genuinely hope they are the vanguards of a new breed, because this current batch of 'representatives' (sic) have taken public office to the lowest I can recall. For shame.
 
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