So comment in other thread.
Ps, it isn't govt policy. It's been mooted as a way to address unemployment.
The drug is a recommended possible treatment option for use on the NHS for a few things.
Different things Joey.
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Ps, it isn't govt policy. It's been mooted as a way to address unemployment.
The drug is a recommended possible treatment option for use on the NHS for a few things.
Different things Joey.
NilSatisOptimum
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See post 28251. Which is essentially what various charities in around benefits and mental health saying, about jabs job coaches etc. Don't down play obesity and mental health, just its minuscule percentage and is just a play for right wing grifter thinking get slim get fit get working all very Tate/Farage. And if in and around Mental health you know weight is not problem the opposite in fact.
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Again, you’re going on about something I haven’t mentioned. I’ve clearly stated in my original post jabs etc certainly will not work but the intention of getting overweight/obese people back into work is absolutely right.
I couldn’t give a crap what those two donuts Farage & Tate are saying & I don’t listen to them so again, not sure what they’ve got to do with anything.
It’s backed by plenty of data that a lot of overweight/obese individuals suffer from mental health issues as a result of poor lifestyle choices, medical conditions, poor diet, lack of self-discipline.
I reckon the argument goes along the lines of the jabs do not address any of these...
NilSatisOptimum
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Good summary of Kendall and Government on mental health.
www.disabilitynewsservice.com
Anger and confusion over Kendall’s comments on sending work coaches into mental health hospitals
Disabled activists have reacted angrily to “horrific” government plans that could see work coaches being sent into mental health hospitals to help push people in severe mental distress off benefits…
www.disabilitynewsservice.com
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The Starmer Gang's response to calls for a UK Govrnment apology for Britain's central role in the Trans-Atlantic slave trade: "No".
Along with the holocaust the period of trans-Atlantic slavery were the worst crimes against humanity, a crime that the British government, British monarchy and British slave owners profited from and built the industrial revolution on.
Starmer - 'the human rights' lawyer.
Keep on enjoying the socialism.
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Along with the holocaust the period of trans-Atlantic slavery were the worst crimes against humanity, a crime that the British government, British monarchy and British slave owners profited from and built the industrial revolution on.
Starmer - 'the human rights' lawyer.
Keep on enjoying the socialism.
No UK apology over slavery at Commonwealth summit
No apology over Britain's historic links to the slave trade at the Commonwealth summit, says 10 Downing Street.
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davek
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Is there anyone who listens to that monster and doesn't immediately think "Tory"?Good summary of Kendall and Government on mental health.
Anger and confusion over Kendall’s comments on sending work coaches into mental health hospitals
Disabled activists have reacted angrily to “horrific” government plans that could see work coaches being sent into mental health hospitals to help push people in severe mental distress off benefits…
A heartless no mark who should be binned as a dangerous incompetent fool.
NilSatisOptimum
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Well indeed, probably clearly little too nuanced for some and not easily digestible politcal sound bite. Obesity will be in most cases a symptom not a cause. In mental health generally it's self harm and self harm generally come from abuse trauma. Sticking a jabs and getting some bsi down to recommend levels won't cure they have been raped by an uncle etc.
The reality is, we've got people who were failed by parenting education system the health and social care system who were then left on the scrapheap stuck in a perpetual loop between insecure employment and benefits. Being unrelenting about work is for the birds. If you don't have the skills or experience, few businesses will employ you. No matter whatever the Government of the day demands.
We aren't going to fix this mess by being tough prescribing individualism and restricting benefits to the point where it drives more people to suicide or makes them homeless. If you've no experience of benefits in recent years, then you'll not have a clue about how dysfunctional the system is.
Have supported many to DWP mandated course over the years, where I saw people being forced to apply for jobs, they had no hopes of getting because they didn't have the qualifications not becuase of obesity and mental health . Then there were the people who broke down in tears because they can't read or write with the DWP not caring one jot about that not because they were obease and had poor mental health.. The only help on offer was through charities. Those are people who were failed by the system, but it's left to charities to try and help them to learn to read and write.
If Labour do nothing at all to tackle the complexity of why people aren't in work? Then they will be no better than the Tories.
Jabs excersie and work mantra is for whoppers...
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I do agree with you on this Dave. It's not very nice narrative they are sowing.
Arl saus fingers previously visited Aus in 2018 to open the commonwealth games. There was a tory government causing havoc at the time in the uk.
There were few if any calls for apologies over slavery at the time.
It wouldn't be opportunism on behalf of murdochs media and similar to stir this up now would it? As well as the useful idiots with incredibly short memories that'll pick a fight over anything that suits their sick minded agenda? (Sick minded agenda - the Taylor Swift police protection complaints after the Vienna bomb plot)
By your pals shall ye be judged yadda yadda...
There were few if any calls for apologies over slavery at the time.
It wouldn't be opportunism on behalf of murdochs media and similar to stir this up now would it? As well as the useful idiots with incredibly short memories that'll pick a fight over anything that suits their sick minded agenda? (Sick minded agenda - the Taylor Swift police protection complaints after the Vienna bomb plot)
By your pals shall ye be judged yadda yadda...
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They've done a job on this, Starmer's Tories: from a position they had a couple of years ago where they were promising to wind-up Universal Credit they're now doubling down on it and handing the DWP new powers to cut their departmental budget...and stuff like 'slimming-jabs' are right out of the Thatcherite playbook where the victims are forced to carry the can for their own misfortune.
This is a hideous spectacle. As a former Labour Party member I look on with shame and horror at what's being perpetrated by that party now: material self-interest by its MPs and Cabinet claiming free gifts and hospitality when they are, in any normal citizen's terms, fabulously well off already; hammering pensioners sending millions more into fuel poverty; attacking low income families with a failure to lift the threshold on family tax credit; chasing sick people off benefits they are fully entitled to; refusing to apologise for the historic crime against humanity called slavery; backing 'the right' for Israel to prevent food and fuel into Gaza and dragging its feet on a ceasefire as an act of clear genocide takes place. And it'll get worse as the next 4.5 years develops.
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Yep, exactly what my original point is.
That is a very severe example, it would be very easy for someone to try to conflate that 'abuse trauma' with the 40%(or whatever it is) of the adult population currently significantly overweight.
Obesity is multi faceted, cheap supermarket deals promoted, formerly sugary drinks pushed at kids, 4000 calorie mocca choca super coffee's the fashionable in to work livener, being bothered to cook and relying on take aways, selling off school fields, a media obsessed beyond parody of pushing the story every street corner is manned 24 hours a day by multiple sex offenders, closing public swimming pools, the new golden age of tv and all the varying streaming services, lives lived online, and every line of support cut and cut again.
Generation austerity.
I wholly agree, the target based 'chase whoever back into interview' regardless of suitability does even more harm as it corrodes the last of the self esteem and sets up a perpetuality of failure. Enough at that cycle becomes cynicism making.
Manufacture got sold down the river, with it went the basic jobs on the shop floor using, maintaining, stocking, and boxing produce from the machines/production line. All those jobs had to be found elsewhere. And there was no transition. See also mining.
Another horrific example on the extremis. Though I can easily get a bee in my bonnet about zero hours contracts and below living wage served up by, oh lets say amazon, who had land and premises built and given to them to then employ a few nearby whilst massively avoiding as much taxation as possible.
Multiple governmental failures how allowed this and similar.
Don't wanna pay tax here? get the feck out, and most importantly - DONT COME BACK!
That last line is asking for a burger king gif.
The root and branch issue of employment has been destroyed, government didn't care, so employers got foreign labour in that they could pay less and circumvent the native population. To much like hard work to train and skill up brits, cut em adrift.
I made this point re the nursing bursary that was kyboshed by the tory scum early doors under that scummy runt* osborne.
The family silver has been sold, the vultures moved in and picked the bones clean, now the junkies have arrived to rip the copper out of the walls and gut what's left of britain. I'm not one for blaming the fatties, in a country so devoid of any enjoyment, if you are lucky enough to get the occasional meal that satisfies you - get stuck in. When the american epidemic of mass homelessness arrives here, and there's no warm Californian weather to protect said masses, we'll see the country torn to pieces and set on fire. I can't wait. Yeah it'll cost thousands of lives, but maybe that's the cost of all the lives taken for the betterment of the gentry here over generations.
feck tory britain, feck the uppermost classes, feck 99% of politicians, feck their gestapo (five times over!). It's time for blame to go back from whence it came. Punching down has run it's course.
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As much as I wanted them in and a chance to govern, they can’t just get away with “not being the Tory’s” forever.
They won’t be anywhere near as corrupt ad the Tory’s were which is a decent starting point
The state the uk is in and the attitude of the British public means that if they screw up, we will possibly see more of a shift towards Farage and co which is absolutely abhorrent.
We need to see some good news and positive policies sooner rather than later. The honeymoon period is and should be very short. They knew they were going to be in power, so should have had plans in place to govern competently from day 1.
They won’t be anywhere near as corrupt ad the Tory’s were which is a decent starting point
The state the uk is in and the attitude of the British public means that if they screw up, we will possibly see more of a shift towards Farage and co which is absolutely abhorrent.
We need to see some good news and positive policies sooner rather than later. The honeymoon period is and should be very short. They knew they were going to be in power, so should have had plans in place to govern competently from day 1.
I don't reckon they expected the scorched earth policy of the previous twits* to have been quite so total. When they'd all given up the ghost, it was a matter of maiming the country further to ensure as many pished off parts of society as possible. And then a load of riots happened.
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