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[StDomingosGringo]

Surprised no one has mentioned there will be a vote in the HoC about the winter fuel payment with the government choosing not to use secondary legislation to avoid parliamentary scrutiny.

Unlike Osborne’s 4 billion of cuts to universal credit or the removal maintenance grants that helped the poorest attend University or the attempt to overturn the foxhunting ban. Just to name a few times the Tories abused that mechanism.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

 

[Rita_Poon]

Although I wouldn't trust him to velcro up his own shoes, I hope that's true and the golden days of rail travel can be refound.

 

[StDomingosGringo]

I didn’t vote for Truss. Did you vote for Starmer. Truss is bad history but at least had the decency to resign,

Bravo for using Truss & decency in the same sentence Pete. She was voted in by a majority of Tory members wasn’t she? What demographic is that again?

Rayner bringing in new union inspired rules that will affect business investment and recruitment.

Union inspired things like long overdue pay increases for vital workers who’ve seen real terms pay cuts for over a decade.

Meanwhile because of the triple lock the pensioners will get £900 more this year than last.

My issue with the WFA removal is the sneaky way it was done and the fact that several million who do need the payment will fall through the cracks because of lack of scrutiny or debate.

There’s going to be a debate. Your favourite papers will now be able spin Tory points for you to repeat on here.

Like the several million pensioners you keep repeating when even your own charity source from earlier in the thread says it’s 800,000 who may be more at risk of hardship because of the threshold.

 

[urquattro]

What is the obsession with taking the rail back under public ownership?. How does this help the majority of people who hardly use the rail service, people like the trades who work on building sites like BMD for example?. I don't work in the trades and I also can't use the train to commute to work. I don't get it.
Grateful if some one can explain the benefits.

 

[peteblue]

What is the obsession with taking the rail back under public ownership?. How does this help the majority of people who hardly use the rail service, people like the trades who work on building sites like BMD for example?. I don't work in the trades and I also can't use the train to commute to work. I don't get it.
Grateful if some one can explain the benefits.

This should get some interesting answers….

 

[peteblue]

Bravo for using Truss & decency in the same sentence Pete. She was voted in by a majority of Tory members wasn’t she? What demographic is that again?

Union inspired things like long overdue pay increases for vital workers who’ve seen real terms pay cuts for over a decade.

Meanwhile because of the triple lock the pensioners will get £900 more this year than last.

There’s going to be a debate. Your favourite papers will now be able spin Tory points for you to repeat on here.

Like the several million pensioners you keep repeating when even your own charity source from earlier in the thread says it’s 800,000 who may be more at risk of hardship because of the threshold.

Oh good, when is the debate…..

 

[StDomingosGringo]

Starmer to face test next week as MPs vote on limiting winter fuel allowance

Plan to means-test benefit for pensioners criticised by opposition parties and some Labour backbenchers

www.theguardian.com

Tuesday

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

8 weeks into a 'labour' Government:

• Confirmed continuation of camp on number of children for child tax credits at two
• Winter fuel allowance taken away from 10 million pensioners
• Continuation of the rhetoric of demonisation of asylum seekers
• Reopening of two huge holding centres linked previously with suicides to house migrants
• Continued complicity with the genocide in Gaza
• The dropping of huge investment plants for the NHS and transport
• Allowing dangerous criminals out of prison
• Cronyism of the Labour Government allowing business sponsors to have the ear of government in return for cash donations
• The continuation of austerity

That's a lot of continuing what the Tories did, give them longer than 8 weeks.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

What is the obsession with taking the rail back under public ownership?. How does this help the majority of people who hardly use the rail service, people like the trades who work on building sites like BMD for example?. I don't work in the trades and I also can't use the train to commute to work. I don't get it.
Grateful if some one can explain the benefits.

Coz the government is good, just so long as it's not the Tories or the Red Tories, so the good government can bring in a whole bunch of new people to run the railways that aren't a cross between Dick Dastardly and the Fat Controller, and we'll all frolic about like the Railway Children. Never mind that the railways are already a regulated industry and that the government controls the regulator, so already not only has a big say in how the industry is run but also how it's funded, if they also run things, it'll be guaranteed to be better (just don't look for evidence from the days when they actually did, because things just happened to be worse). Also, don't look to the fact that many of our rail franchises are run by state operations, albeit state operations from other countries. Good old British state run operations will be instantly better, just because.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

What is the obsession with taking the rail back under public ownership?. How does this help the majority of people who hardly use the rail service, people like the trades who work on building sites like BMD for example?. I don't work in the trades and I also can't use the train to commute to work. I don't get it.
Grateful if some one can explain the benefits.

Transport secretary’s space to pretend that problems are someone else’s fault end wtth this policy. That's good for the service. It may not be good for the any future Tory government but dont expect that responsibility any time soon, so not much for you or others to worry about. The track is being layed for full nationalised rail network, rolling stock and all.

 

[Charro]

This thread is an utter mess.

 

[Xizor]

Coz the government is good, just so long as it's not the Tories or the Red Tories, so the good government can bring in a whole bunch of new people to run the railways that aren't a cross between [Poor language removed] Dastardly and the Fat Controller, and we'll all frolic about like the Railway Children. Never mind that the railways are already a regulated industry and that the government controls the regulator, so already not only has a big say in how the industry is run but also how it's funded, if they also run things, it'll be guaranteed to be better (just don't look for evidence from the days when they actually did, because things just happened to be worse). Also, don't look to the fact that many of our rail franchises are run by state operations, albeit state operations from other countries. Good old British state run operations will be instantly better, just because.

For me, excising a layer of private companies who are required to generate profits for their shareholders is inherently a good thing when discussing public services such as transportation, doubly so if they rake in public money via subsidies. "Socialise the losses, privatise the profits" is the ultimate Tory mantra that pumps the cash ever upwards away from people who need it, towards the yachts of people who don't.

How it will affect the day to day running of those services is more down to the people in place. Things might not actually improve, but there won't be the double whammy slap in the face of seeing people getting rich off those failures.

 

[twoblue]

I worked for two of the largest companies in the U.K., large contracts were agreed and delivered throughout the year. Business did not close in July and August, just schools….

Pretty sure middle management might not have noticed.

What is the obsession with taking the rail back under public ownership?. How does this help the majority of people who hardly use the rail service, people like the trades who work on building sites like BMD for example?. I don't work in the trades and I also can't use the train to commute to work. I don't get it.
Grateful if some one can explain the benefits.

If the public transport works, more people us it. Less people on rosds. Roads less congested for rest of population

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Although I wouldn't trust him to velcro up his own shoes, I hope that's true and the golden days of rail travel can be refound.

That's trouble with his left hand it won't have anything to do with his right hand, velcro is the answer.