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[davek]

I just don't miss.

Dont be trying to age me before my time. I'm a robust gentleman in my late 50s for your information.

God bless the pensioners, like.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Good work bro.

Shame for him, muddled his way through family life with Schizophrenia and has been properly exploited by employer to the point he was medically retired at 45 due to COPD through the shameful actions of his employers by not following "elf and safety". Also hard of hearing for years unknown to all, i can take no credit for hearing aids, that's NHS diabetic service. The bloke is walking encyclopedia of bird whistles, name the bird making whistle and he can.

 

[Thomasc]

I thought socialism was about making sure those in need get help.

I didn't think socialism was about giving handouts to people sitting in million pound houses so they could heat a small continent.

Let’s go full on Tory attitude here, might as well play them at their own game.

Those who do need it should have worked harder and saved for their retirements…can’t be relying on government handouts, etc etc etc

 

[twoblue]

Tory voters and the winter fuel allowance in a nutshell.

For the last 25 years - “Bloody Labour give handouts to everyone, it needs to stop”

(Labour make the winter fuel allowance means tested and take it away from people who don’t need it)

Tory voters - “I didn’t mean me! That’s disgusting etc etc etc”

Exactly… it was all about the “magic money tree”.

 

[peteblue]

economists huh...
truly disgusting approach which will not be forgotten indeed...
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tip of your tongue? slipped your mind? passing fancy? conveniently misremembered? completely deleted from memory similar to how the BoE had to step in and shore up Sterling because billions had been completely deleted from economic worth??

"yeah but labour though" = "it wuz chelsea!"

I didn’t vote for Truss. Did you vote for Starmer. Truss is bad history but at least had the decency to resign, Starmer is now in charge and has already lost the confidence of businesses with his caving in to his paymaster unions, his deliberate increases in tax due in October and Rayner bringing in new union inspired rules that will affect business investment and recruitment. Anyway you’ll find out in October when your taxes go up and Council taxes also go up…remember you voted for this so enjoy…..

 

[davek]

It's understandable that some people who backed Starmer and his gang in the election are holding upon the few crumbs of comfort that this might be a progressive government.

But the bigger picture is that austerity is going nowhere fast under the Red Tories. That has to be obvious to even their most forgiving supporters right now.

People will be dragged kicking and screaming to reality, because they've been potty-trained to view Labour as a force for good.

Sadly, and I speak as a life long LP supporter and sometime member, this lot are not Labour. They just aren't, and you can put any amount of red rosette and spin on it you want, but if Tory policy is being carried out they're Tories. End of story.

 

[peteblue]

I thought socialism was about making sure those in need get help.

I didn't think socialism was about giving handouts to people sitting in million pound houses so they could heat a small continent.

I totally agree with this, help should be given to those that need it. My issue with the WFA removal is the sneaky way it was done and the fact that several million who do need the payment will fall through the cracks because of lack of scrutiny or debate, lack of any thought of the impact it would have and to whom…….

 

[twoblue]

I didn’t vote for Truss. Did you vote for Starmer. Truss is bad history but at least had the decency to resign, Starmer is now in charge and has already lost the confidence of businesses with his caving in to his paymaster unions, his deliberate increases in tax due in October and Rayner bringing in new union inspired rules that will affect business investment and recruitment. Anyway you’ll find out in October when your taxes go up and Council taxes also go up…remember you voted for this so enjoy…..

He hasn’t lost the business trust. He has been in for a few weeks, the majority of that time most of business has been shut down for summer.
Anyone in business knows nothing gets done in July and August.
Try and have a bit of perspective. It’s nots a football team, you don’t have to blindly support or hate. The govt
Cannot have an effect or change in such a short space of time.
You can judge the govt after 4 years but not before.
It’s very difficult to point at the achievements or even positive changes made during the Tory / coalition rule. As much as Thatcher is despised you could see physically see changes being made that the tories wanted. I can’t see one thing that Tory voters can look at since Cameron came in that they can say, we achieved that. Except brexit if that’s your cuppa tea?

 

[larrygobfiend]

I didn’t vote for Truss. Did you vote for Starmer. Truss is bad history but at least had the decency to resign, Starmer is now in charge and has already lost the confidence of businesses with his caving in to his paymaster unions, his deliberate increases in tax due in October and Rayner bringing in new union inspired rules that will affect business investment and recruitment. Anyway you’ll find out in October when your taxes go up and Council taxes also go up…remember you voted for this so enjoy…..

I’m happy to pay a bit more tax to live in a better society, Pete. It’s all about taking responsibility.

 

[Goat]

It's understandable that some people who backed Starmer and his gang in the election are holding upon the few crumbs of comfort that this might be a progressive government.

But the bigger picture is that austerity is going nowhere fast under the Red Tories. That has to be obvious to even their most forgiving supporters right now.

People will be dragged kicking and screaming to reality, because they've been potty-trained to view Labour as a force for good.

Sadly, and I speak as a life long LP supporter and sometime member, this lot are not Labour. They just aren't, and you can put any amount of red rosette and spin on it you want, but if Tory policy is being carried out they're Tories. End of story.

There's no magic wand.

The Tories have ruined this country whilst giving billions to their mates.

It's going to take time to correct.

If after 2 terms there's no change then maybe I will look at other options.

 

[peteblue]

I’m happy to pay a bit more tax to live in a better society, Pete. It’s all about taking responsibility.

And that’s fine, I hope it does become a better society, but a society for all and not just Starmers clientele and paymasters….

 

[peteblue]

He hasn’t lost the business trust. He has been in for a few weeks, the majority of that time most of business has been shut down for summer.
Anyone in business knows nothing gets done in July and August.
Try and have a bit of perspective. It’s nots a football team, you don’t have to blindly support or hate. The govt
Cannot have an effect or change in such a short space of time.
You can judge the govt after 4 years but not before.
It’s very difficult to point at the achievements or even positive changes made during the Tory / coalition rule. As much as Thatcher is despised you could see physically see changes being made that the tories wanted. I can’t see one thing that Tory voters can look at since Cameron came in that they can say, we achieved that. Except brexit if that’s your cuppa tea?

I think you’ll find he has

Labour faces business warning on workers' rights and tax hikes

There is evidence that Labour's honeymoon with big business is already showing signs of strain as a lobby group warns of a threat to growth if the government presses ahead with tax hikes that could deter investment.

news.sky.com

Fears over energy tax rises as business confidence falls

Investment will be cut and thousands of jobs put at risk if the windfall tax is raised, an industry body says.

www.bbc.co.uk

IoD: Confidence fizzles out in August - Politics.co.uk

The IoD Directors’ Economic Confidence Index, which measures business leader optimism in prospects for the UK economy, fell back to -12 in August, following a three-year high of +7 in July 2024. Business leader confidence in their own organisations also fell from +36 in July to +23 in August...

www.politics.co.uk

Also over the last fifty years I must have missed the bit where business did nothing in July and August……

 

[COYBL25]

I thought socialism was about making sure those in need get help.

I didn't think socialism was about giving handouts to people sitting in million pound houses so they could heat a small continent.

Or paying to heat Joeys polytunels either.

 

[davek]

There's no magic wand.

The Tories have ruined this country whilst giving billions to their mates.

It's going to take time to correct.

If after 2 terms there's no change then maybe I will look at other options.

Lol.

Go and pick a history book up and see what a government of a country on its knees and in a broken financial state did post-1945. They built the modern welfare state that lasted until Thatcher and her Visigoths destroyed it.

Dont listen to any politician who talks about the need to pay down debts. That's a political choice not an economic imperative. If you invest enough into the economy those debts will be reduced in any case with a growing economy. Which is why it was ALWAYS a lie by Starmer's Gang that they'd set about growing the economy.

They're interested in placating the City of London financial houses. That's who they work for.

 

[twoblue]

I think you’ll find he has

Labour faces business warning on workers' rights and tax hikes

There is evidence that Labour's honeymoon with big business is already showing signs of strain as a lobby group warns of a threat to growth if the government presses ahead with tax hikes that could deter investment.

news.sky.com

Fears over energy tax rises as business confidence falls

Investment will be cut and thousands of jobs put at risk if the windfall tax is raised, an industry body says.

www.bbc.co.uk

IoD: Confidence fizzles out in August - Politics.co.uk

The IoD Directors’ Economic Confidence Index, which measures business leader optimism in prospects for the UK economy, fell back to -12 in August, following a three-year high of +7 in July 2024. Business leader confidence in their own organisations also fell from +36 in July to +23 in August...

www.politics.co.uk

Also over the last fifty years I must have missed the bit where business did nothing in July and August……

Big deals don’t close in July and August.
To many difficulties in getting the key people on the room at the same time. Mum and pop businesses tick along