Current Affairs The Labour Party

[Amw79]

I like Ed Miliband. Never really took to him when he was leader but seemed more comfortable in his own skin afterwards.
Should have waited to run for leader in hindsight I think

Completely agree.

 

[edge]

Hey, you're not allowed to speak to the Corbyn crew like that! They'll get upset.

They are like Lampard supporters trying to defend the indefensible.
Nice guys, big losers

 

[tsubaki]

They had tories infighting. Austerity, untold tory sleaze by the minutes .
And we're unelectable and running a party within a party that when it came to the ballot box was firmly put in it place, as most of us knew it would.
Ps what was there stance on brexit nobody knew for sure that turned into a great strategy.

The Tory infighting was not covered in the press to anything like the same extent, and the sleaze - including Johnson personally for that row with Carrie - was mostly buried.

As for Brexit, the oven-ready deal that Johnson signed and which he built that election campaign around was being slated by the people who negotiated it the moment they won the election.

Worst of all though is the trotting out of the “unelectable” argument, which is absolutely one of those regurgitated pieces of vomit that you (and many others) were fed repeatedly by the press and the anti-Labour people in 2017 and 2019.

 

[mahermi1]

No they didn't. They went in against a populist Tory Party on both occasions pumped up by the politics of Brexit and with the whole of the British media behind them.

It's only Starmer who;s pushing at an open door since the collapse of the Tories over scandals and the recognition by business leaders and the media that the Tories are now a busted flush and that a right wing led 'Labour' Party should face no opposition from them....in fact, should be given encouragement from them.

To be fair, which you're obviously not Starmer has been the Architect of the Tory fall from grace him and his team have quite brilliantly highlighted every tory mistake/ grift and lie. Throughout Covid he has tore to shreds Johnson, who has now become a joke figure, Truss and Sunak and he has put Labour back as a credible force again, for the first time in decades.

Looking at the newspaper front pages the Daily Express has front page headlines about Abbott and Labour splits between their hierarchy. Didn't see very much about yet another tory MP defecting to Labour, did you.

The left wing/ Socialist don't win elections, look at our history, look around the World open you're eyes, you need power to change things, maybe it's not you're cup of tea but me I am sick to the back teeth of the last 14 years of corruption, lies, grifting and austerity.

Our Country's services sold to the highest bidder, we own nothing and we wonder why we pay so high for our water, electricity, gas, next it's the Royal Mail. So you can take you're constant sniping, cut and paste jobs and continue holding you're nose and shove them right up you're hoop. I'm voting Labour !

 

[mahermi1]

They are like Lampard supporters trying to defend the indefensible.
Nice guys, big losers

Spot on mate.

 

[Moomin]

…and Andy Burnham didn’t have to quit but both had clearly become disillusioned. It can’t happen again, Starmer has to attract those types back to Parliament.

Starmer and his clique don't want Burnham back. They attack Burnham in the media that he had to make a public statement to tell them to back off.

Andy Burnham is not welcome by the PLP.

 

[edge]

The Tory infighting was not covered in the press to anything like the same extent, and the sleaze - including Johnson personally for that row with Carrie - was mostly buried.

As for Brexit, the oven-ready deal that Johnson signed and which he built that election campaign around was being slated by the people who negotiated it the moment they won the election.

Worst of all though is the trotting out of the “unelectable” argument, which is absolutely one of those regurgitated pieces of vomit that you (and many others) were fed repeatedly by the press and the anti-Labour people in 2017 and 2019.

Said it at the time and proved right basic fact was they were unelectable nothing to do with the press had anything to do with my views.
Anybody with bit of sense knew it.
Conveniently hiding behind the press when the argument and the elections were clearly lost, no amount or revisionism will change that.
They were a disaster for Labour supporters and a gift to the tories.
Anyway as far as I am concerned they can all go in the bin and anybody that stands in the way of getting rid of the Tories can go with them.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

What he said is completley wrong.

They went up against Populism with one issue on the table in Brexit.

They were always onto a loser. Corbyn was an issue, I saw it myself in Barrow in Furness, but a lot of it was based on lies.

It was a brexit election. Lets not pretend otherwise.

Which one? He lost against the Maybot and the clown didn't he? This during a period of the worst governance that many of us have or will see.

Also, I seem to remember a trend of "that man" coming back from the doorsteps.

 

[mahermi1]

The Tory infighting was not covered in the press to anything like the same extent, and the sleaze - including Johnson personally for that row with Carrie - was mostly buried.

As for Brexit, the oven-ready deal that Johnson signed and which he built that election campaign around was being slated by the people who negotiated it the moment they won the election.

Worst of all though is the trotting out of the “unelectable” argument, which is absolutely one of those regurgitated pieces of vomit that you (and many others) were fed repeatedly by the press and the anti-Labour people in 2017 and 2019.

Agree with that because I wanted to, but terrible as it is, when was the last time a socialist, left wing Labour Party got into office ? The nearest to a Socialist party for me was the Harold Wilson regime, he was elected in 1964..by 4 seats, and that was memory fails 1970 when Edward Heath took over. Look around the World its right wing mainly. I will gladly take Starmers Labour to reverse the trend and hope that he keeps some of his promises and when/ if the Country starts to recover from the carnation of these grifters reverts to more caring Socialist policies again.

 

[Moomin]

Which one? He lost against the Maybot and the clown didn't he? This during a period of the worst governance that many of us have or will see.

Also, I seem to remember a trend of "that man" coming back from the doorsteps.

Corbyn wasn't popular at the doors in Teesside back in 2019. Press did a great job on him and the same with Ed Millaband.

A lot of people just wanted Brexit done and sorted. Also, for some strange reason people fell for the con of Johnson.

 

[tsubaki]

Said it at the time and proved right basic fact was they were unelectable nothing to do with the press.
Anybody with bit of sense knew it.
Conveniently hiding behind the press when the argument and the elections were clearly lost, no amount or revisionism will change that.
They were a disaster for Labour supporters and a gift to the tories.
Anyway as far as I am concerned they can all go in the bin and anybody that stands in the way of getting rid of the Tories can go with them.

Utter crap. More people voted Labour in 2019 than did in 2015, 2010 and the election they won in 2005. By any definition you want to use, that is not “unelectable”; it was two million more than the 1983 election, perhaps the most infamous time the unelectable argument was spewed forth.

What happened with Corbyn was that the media, on behalf of the people who’ve ruined this country, told people multiple times every day that a relatively mild form of socialism was extremism, madness, probably treasonous, a sign of mental illness or naivety, Stalinism and antisemitic. His actual merits and faults were never seriously engaged with, which of course comes across in your posts on the subject which are invariably missing such points.

Enough people believed it unfortunately , and now here we are watching them believe the latest bit of nonsense that they’ve been told.

 

[Amw79]

Utter crap. More people voted Labour in 2019 than did in 2015, 2010 and the election they won in 2005. By any definition you want to use, that is not “unelectable”; it was two million more than the 1983 election, perhaps the most infamous time the unelectable argument was spewed forth.

Problem with this though, is it’s the same argument Trumpists made after losing the 2020 - “We got even more votes than last time”.

Its great that you’re inspiring so many people to vote for you, but if you’re inspiring more to vote against you, it becomes irrelevant.

 

[edge]

Utter crap. More people voted Labour in 2019 than did in 2015, 2010 and the election they won in 2005. By any definition you want to use, that is not “unelectable”; it was two million more than the 1983 election, perhaps the most infamous time the unelectable argument was spewed forth.

What happened with Corbyn was that the media, on behalf of the people who’ve ruined this country, told people multiple times every day that a relatively mild form of socialism was extremism, madness, probably treasonous, a sign of mental illness or naivety, Stalinism and antisemitic. His actual merits and faults were never seriously engaged with, which of course comes across in your posts on the subject which are invariably missing such points.

Enough people believed it unfortunately , and now here we are watching them believe the latest bit of nonsense that they’ve been told.

He got beat pure and simple , the same press are supporting the tories right now why not the same outcome, not exactly in love with starmer are they.
Stop making excuses for a failed leadership

 

[tsubaki]

Problem with this though, is it’s the same argument Trumpists made after losing the 2020 - “We got even more votes than last time”.

Its great that you’re inspiring so many people to vote for you, but if you’re inspiring more to vote against you, it becomes irrelevant.

It isn’t the same argument.

The claim was that Corbyn was unelectable; clearly given the fact that ten million plus people voted for him, twice, this is nonsense. He was more electable than any Labour leader since Blair.

 

[tsubaki]

He got beat pure and simple , the same press are supporting the tories right now why not the same outcome, not exactly in love with starmer are they.
Stop making excuses for a failed leadership

Edge the press are far, far more on board with Starmer than they were with Corbyn. Sir Keir writes articles in the S*n ffs.