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Everybody wants something different, to have anything like an effective government you need a majority view. We had a simple referendum on PR yes or no, 68% said no, 32% said yes, so if that referendum had been subject to PR itself would we have had both PR and First Past The Post at the same time. You always end up with the tail wagging the dog. What if some absolute Ultra Left and Ultra Right parties picked up 10% each, would you really want to see either bunch of nutters holding sway over a Party with the largest mandate….
If that’s what the country wants 🤷‍♂️

We already have an ultra right lunatic party in government anyway
 
It would have been better had Starmer held back from policy announcements rather than now having to row back on them. He was between a rock and a hard place though, as he has been constantly accused of not having policies, so his hand was forced. Now he looks flip floppy and unreliable. I'll still vote for him, what other choice is there!?

I think he is in an extremely difficult position in his battle with the right wing media and its "smear Kier", too many from populists both left and right peddle their rhetoric which will result if they have their way another Tory Government.

Starmer is having to inherit a country with it's public services and economy in a state of absolute chaos and failure. Something that is clearly wanted or not experienced by those not wanting a Labour Government.
 
It would have been better had Starmer held back from policy announcements rather than now having to row back on them. He was between a rock and a hard place though, as he has been constantly accused of not having policies, so his hand was forced. Now he looks flip floppy and unreliable. I'll still vote for him, what other choice is there!?

I think he is in an extremely difficult position in his battle with the right wing media and its "smear Kier", too many from populists both left and right peddle their rhetoric which will result if they have their way another Tory Government.

Starmer is having to inherit a country with it's public services and economy in a state of absolute chaos and failure. Something that is clearly wanted or not experienced by those not wanting a Labour Government.

That he is in a tough place is entirely down to the people who he has surrounded himself with, people who (and sorry for repeating myself for the umpteenth time) have been losing at politics for the past fourteen years at this point. These are people who Cameron, Sturgeon, Farage and Corbyn kicked up and down the street at will. They are people who took millions in donations for TIG (and all the groups that didnt get anywhere near TIG's "success") and achieved nothing; the people who despite having an overwhelming majority in the PLP against Corbyn not only lost but picked Owen fkin Smith as their standard bearer against Corbynism. They are people who delivered the best Labour vote share since 2001 simply by not taking part in the election.

The Labour Party position at the next election should be really easy and simple for everyone to understand - the country is in a mess, we are paying too much for terrible services, we need to deal with all the neglect and we will fix it but we will need your time and help to fix it. Point to the NHS, the military, housing, local councils, the Courts as clear and easy to see examples of this that everyone has and is experiencing for themselves. Point to the Tories as the ones who are unequivocably to blame for it.

However Labour, or at least the tiny faction who currently run it, cannot do that because they are idiots. They'll offer Diet Toryism instead.
 
The people harmed by over a decade of two faced tory control in some cases know no different. Pensioners vote in record numbers and they like the status quo. Politics is boring and doesn't affect me and I can't change it anyhow. Switch off. Younger people tend not to vote. Bring in a charge, you can not vote but it'll cost you £100. Spoil your ballot, do what you like but you have to be involved. Pandering to the stable vote means vested interests. It enables inequality.
 
PEOPLE in Birkenhead are more than £15,000 worse off because of poor economic growth since 2010, new analysis shows.

The Centre for Cities think tank found the average person in the UK missed out on £10,200 in disposable income since 2010 when compared with predictions based on 1998-2010 economic trends.
Experts said the whole country, “including places that were doing relatively well before, have been levelled down because of the lack of growth”.
The analysis shows people in Birkenhead have been left with £17,540 less in disposable income – one of the biggest drops across the UK. This was more than the the North West average of £12,230.

Disposable income is the money a person is left with after paying bills, taxes and covering for the cost of living.
The think tank used primary urban areas in its analysis, which is a measure of the built-up area of a city, rather than individual local authorities. These are used to provide a consistent measure to compare concentrations of economic activity across the UK.
Andrew Carter, chief executive of the Centre for Cities, said: “Both the two main political parties have pledged to grow the economy and the general election debate will have growth at its heart.
“The challenge for the next Government is to go beyond the rhetoric and to do what’s needed to make this rhetoric a reality.”
The analysis revealed 4.6 million new jobs were created across the country between 2010 and 2022 – considerably more than the 2.5 million between 1998 and 2010.


However, productivity slowed during the same period. It increased by an annual average of 0.6% in the period 2010-2021, while this was 1.5% in pre-2010.
Mr Carter said the next Government must recognise “the British economy is an urban economy”.
He added: “Cities account for 9% of the land and over 60% of the economy, as well as 72% of high skilled jobs. Their slowdown is at the heart of why the national economy is struggling.”
In Birkenhead, there was a 4.6% growth in jobs, but the average productivity growth rate remained roughly the same.
Dr George Dibb, head of the Centre for Economic Justice at the Institute for Public Policy Research, said: “Poor wage growth over the last decade or so is a damning indictment of a stagnant economy with no direction.
“Instead of spending the past 14 years investing in good green jobs of the future, we have bounced from one plan to another with 11 different economic strategies, nine business secretaries and seven chancellors.


“We need a serious and consistent strategy to return to a high growth and high productivity economy.”
A UK Government spokesperson said: “We are committed to levelling-up every corner of the UK, investing billions to support community regeneration projects, connecting 25.7 million premises with gigabit broadband, and over 50% of England is now covered by a devolution deal.
“We have halved the number of people on low pay with increases in the national living wage, and thanks to an above-inflation increase to tax allowances, we have also saved the average earner over £1,000 a year since 2010.
“We did so after two massive global shocks – Covid and Putin’s war of aggression against Ukraine – which affected every economy worldwide. And yet, the UK has grown faster than Germany, Italy, France, Spain and Japan.”






Why wouldnt you vote Labour.
 
PEOPLE in Birkenhead are more than £15,000 worse off because of poor economic growth since 2010, new analysis shows.

The Centre for Cities think tank found the average person in the UK missed out on £10,200 in disposable income since 2010 when compared with predictions based on 1998-2010 economic trends.
Experts said the whole country, “including places that were doing relatively well before, have been levelled down because of the lack of growth”.
The analysis shows people in Birkenhead have been left with £17,540 less in disposable income – one of the biggest drops across the UK. This was more than the the North West average of £12,230.

Disposable income is the money a person is left with after paying bills, taxes and covering for the cost of living.
The think tank used primary urban areas in its analysis, which is a measure of the built-up area of a city, rather than individual local authorities. These are used to provide a consistent measure to compare concentrations of economic activity across the UK.
Andrew Carter, chief executive of the Centre for Cities, said: “Both the two main political parties have pledged to grow the economy and the general election debate will have growth at its heart.
“The challenge for the next Government is to go beyond the rhetoric and to do what’s needed to make this rhetoric a reality.”
The analysis revealed 4.6 million new jobs were created across the country between 2010 and 2022 – considerably more than the 2.5 million between 1998 and 2010.


However, productivity slowed during the same period. It increased by an annual average of 0.6% in the period 2010-2021, while this was 1.5% in pre-2010.
Mr Carter said the next Government must recognise “the British economy is an urban economy”.
He added: “Cities account for 9% of the land and over 60% of the economy, as well as 72% of high skilled jobs. Their slowdown is at the heart of why the national economy is struggling.”
In Birkenhead, there was a 4.6% growth in jobs, but the average productivity growth rate remained roughly the same.
Dr George Dibb, head of the Centre for Economic Justice at the Institute for Public Policy Research, said: “Poor wage growth over the last decade or so is a damning indictment of a stagnant economy with no direction.
“Instead of spending the past 14 years investing in good green jobs of the future, we have bounced from one plan to another with 11 different economic strategies, nine business secretaries and seven chancellors.


“We need a serious and consistent strategy to return to a high growth and high productivity economy.”
A UK Government spokesperson said: “We are committed to levelling-up every corner of the UK, investing billions to support community regeneration projects, connecting 25.7 million premises with gigabit broadband, and over 50% of England is now covered by a devolution deal.
“We have halved the number of people on low pay with increases in the national living wage, and thanks to an above-inflation increase to tax allowances, we have also saved the average earner over £1,000 a year since 2010.
“We did so after two massive global shocks – Covid and Putin’s war of aggression against Ukraine – which affected every economy worldwide. And yet, the UK has grown faster than Germany, Italy, France, Spain and Japan.”






Why wouldnt you vote Labour.

A good reason would be the focus on “growth”, which is pretty much what the Tories have gone and failed with.

The best, cheapest and most sustainable way to put money in people’s pockets is to reduce the cost of things they need - housing, energy and transport. Rolling out renewables is helping with one of those things, we can do much the same with housing and with a degree of long term planning and buy-in from the public we can do something about transport as well.
 
It would have been better had Starmer held back from policy announcements rather than now having to row back on them. He was between a rock and a hard place though, as he has been constantly accused of not having policies, so his hand was forced. Now he looks flip floppy and unreliable. I'll still vote for him, what other choice is there!?

I think he is in an extremely difficult position in his battle with the right wing media and its "smear Kier", too many from populists both left and right peddle their rhetoric which will result if they have their way another Tory Government.

Starmer is having to inherit a country with it's public services and economy in a state of absolute chaos and failure. Something that is clearly wanted or not experienced by those not wanting a Labour Government.
As you say, he has the tories looking for points of attack and Corbyn loyalists looking for anything to attack.

As the article suggests, shadow ministers are also determined to offer as small a target as possible to the Tories (and the Corbyn massive).

The current system needs binning but I can not see that happening anytime soon. Until then we have the lesser of two evils.
 
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