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[Bruce Wayne]

From that well known navel gazer Will Hutton - https://www.theguardian.com/comment...be-forgiven-for-conniving-in-rightwing-brexit

 

[RichardP]

If JC would have the cojones to admit what he did actually say, he would find that many Conservatives would actually agree with him.

But how can anyone agree with him when he denies saying it?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Source here is a blog post by political analyst Mark Pack.

• Jeremy Corbyn voted for Britain to leave the European Economic Community (EEC) in the 1975 European referendum.
• Jeremy Corbyn opposed the creation of the European Union (EU) under the Maastricht Treaty – speaking and voting against it in Parliament in 1993. During the 2016 referendum campaign, Left Leave highlighted repeated speeches he made in Parliament opposing Europe during 1993.
• Jeremy Corbyn voted against the Lisbon Treaty on more than one occasion in Parliament in 2008.
• In 2010, Jeremy Corbyn voted against the creation of the European Union’s diplomatic service.
• Jeremy Corbyn voted for a referendum on Britain’s membership of the EU in 2011 (breaking the Labour whip to do so).
• In 2011 Jeremy Corbyn also opposed the creation of the EU’s European Stability Mechanism, which helps members of the Euro in financial difficulties. (This vote is a good example of how Corbyn votes with hardcore Euro-sceptics. Only 26 other MPs joined him in voting against, and in their number are the likes of right-wing Euro-sceptics such as Peter Bone, Douglas Carswell, Bill Cash, Ian Paisley Junior and John Redwood.)
• Jeremy Corbyn opposed Britain’s participation in the EU’s Banking Authority in 2012.
• In 2016 his long-time left-wing ally Tariq Ali said that he was sure that if Corbyn was not Labour leader he would be campaigning for Britain to leave the EU, whilst his brother Piers Corbyn also said that Jeremy Corbyn was privately opposed to Britain’s membership of the European Union.
• Jeremy Corbyn went on holiday during the 2016 referendum campaign and his office staff consistently undermined the Remain campaign. He refused to attend a key Remain campaign launch and also attacked government ministers for publicising the Remain case, saying they should also have promoted arguments in favour of Leave vote. The Director of the Remain campaign, himself a Labour member and candidate, said, “Rather than making a clear and passionate Labour case for EU membership, Corbyn took a week’s holiday in the middle of the campaign and removed pro-EU lines from his speeches”. During the referendum campaign, Leave.EU highlighted Corbyn’s attacks on Europe made in 1996.
• The day after the European referendum in 2016, Jeremy Corbyn called for the immediate invocation of Article 50 – the two-year notice to leave the EU – much quicker than even Theresa May wanted.
• In December 2016, Jeremy Corbyn voted in Parliament in favour of the UK leaving the EU and for the process to start no later than 31 March 2017.
• Jeremy Corbyn three times voted in February 2017 in favour of the Prime Minister starting the process of leaving the European Union.
• During the 2017 general election, the independent Channel 4 Factcheck service found very little difference between Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May over Europe.
• In the summer of 2017, Jeremy Corbyn opposed Britain remaining in the Single Market. He even sacked from his team Labour MPs who voted in favour of membership of the Single Market.
• In 2018, Jeremy Corbyn said he would try to make Brexit go ahead even if Labour won a general election before it happened.

 

[magicjuan]

Source here is a blog post by political analyst Mark Pack.

• Jeremy Corbyn voted for Britain to leave the European Economic Community (EEC) in the 1975 European referendum.
• Jeremy Corbyn opposed the creation of the European Union (EU) under the Maastricht Treaty – speaking and voting against it in Parliament in 1993. During the 2016 referendum campaign, Left Leave highlighted repeated speeches he made in Parliament opposing Europe during 1993.
• Jeremy Corbyn voted against the Lisbon Treaty on more than one occasion in Parliament in 2008.
• In 2010, Jeremy Corbyn voted against the creation of the European Union’s diplomatic service.
• Jeremy Corbyn voted for a referendum on Britain’s membership of the EU in 2011 (breaking the Labour whip to do so).
• In 2011 Jeremy Corbyn also opposed the creation of the EU’s European Stability Mechanism, which helps members of the Euro in financial difficulties. (This vote is a good example of how Corbyn votes with hardcore Euro-sceptics. Only 26 other MPs joined him in voting against, and in their number are the likes of right-wing Euro-sceptics such as Peter Bone, Douglas Carswell, Bill Cash, Ian Paisley Junior and John Redwood.)
• Jeremy Corbyn opposed Britain’s participation in the EU’s Banking Authority in 2012.
• In 2016 his long-time left-wing ally Tariq Ali said that he was sure that if Corbyn was not Labour leader he would be campaigning for Britain to leave the EU, whilst his brother Piers Corbyn also said that Jeremy Corbyn was privately opposed to Britain’s membership of the European Union.
• Jeremy Corbyn went on holiday during the 2016 referendum campaign and his office staff consistently undermined the Remain campaign. He refused to attend a key Remain campaign launch and also attacked government ministers for publicising the Remain case, saying they should also have promoted arguments in favour of Leave vote. The Director of the Remain campaign, himself a Labour member and candidate, said, “Rather than making a clear and passionate Labour case for EU membership, Corbyn took a week’s holiday in the middle of the campaign and removed pro-EU lines from his speeches”. During the referendum campaign, Leave.EU highlighted Corbyn’s attacks on Europe made in 1996.
• The day after the European referendum in 2016, Jeremy Corbyn called for the immediate invocation of Article 50 – the two-year notice to leave the EU – much quicker than even Theresa May wanted.
• In December 2016, Jeremy Corbyn voted in Parliament in favour of the UK leaving the EU and for the process to start no later than 31 March 2017.
• Jeremy Corbyn three times voted in February 2017 in favour of the Prime Minister starting the process of leaving the European Union.
• During the 2017 general election, the independent Channel 4 Factcheck service found very little difference between Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May over Europe.
• In the summer of 2017, Jeremy Corbyn opposed Britain remaining in the Single Market. He even sacked from his team Labour MPs who voted in favour of membership of the Single Market.
• In 2018, Jeremy Corbyn said he would try to make Brexit go ahead even if Labour won a general election before it happened.

And? There's no news in socialists being against the EU. Or is it just Corbyn that it applies to and is held to account?
That piece from Hutton in the Grauniad is disingenuous, as with most pieces in that fallen rag that have the remotest connection to Corbyn and if they don't they tend to create them.
Absolute nothing.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

And? There's no news in socialists being against the EU. Or is it just Corbyn that it applies to and is held to account?
That piece from Hutton in the Grauniad is disingenuous, as with most pieces in that fallen rag that have the remotest connection to Corbyn and if they don't they tend to create them.
Absolute nothing.

Surely the issue is that not only does his philosophy diverge from official Labour policy, but his lacklustre support for remain has effectively done the bidding of the swivel eyed loons in the Tory party. As leader of the opposition, that's not really very good.

 

[magicjuan]

Surely the issue is that not only does his philosophy diverge from official Labour policy, but his lacklustre support for remain has effectively done the bidding of the swivel eyed loons in the Tory party. As leader of the opposition, that's not really very good.

Whilst Cameron, May, Osbourne et al took to the airwaves during the remain campaign, it was left to Corbyn to do the face to face public meetings, that was the strategy decided. Corbyn did this putting in more time and effort than the others, as representative and leader of the opposition, it probably gained him some popularity as a consequence. However, this wasn't headline news, that was reserved for the telly evangelicals.
Hutton in that piece is bang out of order, and being a lavished Blairite, is totally expected.
If enough effort was diverted from attacking Corbyn and onto the tories then this whole sorry mess could be cleared up much quicker, for the media to scapegoat him and use him as a distraction with nonsense tales should tell the more mature and informed members of the public that something is rotten...

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Whilst Cameron, May, Osbourne et al took to the airwaves during the remain campaign, it was left to Corbyn to do the face to face public meetings, that was the strategy decided. Corbyn did this putting in more time and effort than the others, as representative and leader of the opposition, it probably gained him some popularity as a consequence. However, this wasn't headline news, that was reserved for the telly evangelicals.
Hutton in that piece is bang out of order, and being a lavished Blairite, is totally expected.
If enough effort was diverted from attacking Corbyn and onto the tories then this whole sorry mess could be cleared up much quicker, for the media to scapegoat him and use him as a distraction with nonsense tales should tell the more mature and informed members of the public that something is rotten...

Where is it documented that this was the strategy?

 

[magicjuan]

Where is it documented that this was the strategy?

Seek and ye shall find. Widely reported at the time. I've heard google is good.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Seek and ye shall find. Widely reported at the time. I've heard google is good.

Bit of help would be much appreciated as my searches have come up blank thus far.

 

[tsubaki]

Surely the issue is that not only does his philosophy diverge from official Labour policy, but his lacklustre support for remain has effectively done the bidding of the swivel eyed loons in the Tory party. As leader of the opposition, that's not really very good.

Hang on, why is his opposition to the EU bad because some Tories also oppose the EU (though unlike them he actually had concrete reasons why he does) while it was ok for the centrists to do Tory things like privatise, attack benefit claimants and migrants, get rid of free tertiary education and invade various places ineptly?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Hang on, why is his opposition to the EU bad because some Tories also oppose the EU (though unlike them he actually had concrete reasons why he does) while it was ok for the centrists to do Tory things like privatise, attack benefit claimants and migrants, get rid of free tertiary education and invade various places ineptly?

It's bad because he claimed, and still tries to, that he's in favour of remaining in the EU.

 

[tsubaki]

It's bad because he claimed, and still tries to, that he's in favour of remaining in the EU.

No, he claimed that Labour policy during the referendum was to stay in, and since he has claimed that its Labour policy to only support a deal that passes the six tests. He was right, on both counts.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

No, he claimed that Labour policy during the referendum was to stay in, and since he has claimed that its Labour policy to only support a deal that passes the six tests. He was right, on both counts.

So what is the point of him? He disagrees with his own party (openly), so what is the point of him?

 

[magicjuan]

Bit of help would be much appreciated as my searches have come up blank thus far.

I thought you were really good at that sort of stuff?

 

[magicjuan]

So what is the point of him? He disagrees with his own party (openly), so what is the point of him?

Representing the wishes. It may catch on, you never know, even just on novelty alone.

Somewhere amongst all this Corbyn baiting it seems to have been lost that this is basically a tory balls up. Either there is a deliberate attempt to scapegoat Corbyn with the blame for someone else's personal vanity project or there is a regurgitating of anti corbyn hysteria driven by the right of both parties for fear of losing their gravy train that some members of the public have fallen for hook, line and sinker.