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sbbefc said:
I followed him on social media and he was out and about in support for remain.
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The suggestion was though that it was an official strategy by the remain camp to put him out in the community and off the TV screens. Just not sure where the evidence for that is.

magicjuan said:
Representing the wishes. It may catch on, you never know, even just on novelty alone.

Somewhere amongst all this Corbyn baiting it seems to have been lost that this is basically a tory balls up. Either there is a deliberate attempt to scapegoat Corbyn with the blame for someone else's personal vanity project or there is a regurgitating of anti corbyn hysteria driven by the right of both parties for fear of losing their gravy train that some members of the public have fallen for hook, line and sinker.
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It's a Tory balls up implementing a strategy Corbyn has supported all of his political life. This notion that he'd have been better because he's a better negotiator or something is the kind of fantasy the Tory extremists have used. The notion now that Corbyn is a great leader because he opposes what the rest of his party want is madness, especially given all the broohaha, both among the leadership themselves and among Momentum about deselecting any Labour MP who doesn't agree with the party. It's revisionism in the extreme to maintain the cult of Corbyn. He's just as much a religion for many as Brexit is for others.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
The suggestion was though that it was an official strategy by the remain camp to put him out in the community and off the TV screens. Just not sure where the evidence for that is.



It's a Tory balls up implementing a strategy Corbyn has supported all of his political life. This notion that he'd have been better because he's a better negotiator or something is the kind of fantasy the Tory extremists have used. The notion now that Corbyn is a great leader because he opposes what the rest of his party want is madness, especially given all the broohaha, both among the leadership themselves and among Momentum about deselecting any Labour MP who doesn't agree with the party. It's revisionism in the extreme to maintain the cult of Corbyn. He's just as much a religion for many as Brexit is for others.
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No. First off I've said many times I'm not a huge fan of Corbyn, I do, however, believe in parity, fairness and clarity of purpose. Despite last week's panto, Corbyn tends to attack policy not personality and spell out alternatives. And any alternative that shows fairness to all members of society as opposed to the blood sucking economic vampirism of austerity is welcomed by me.
For decades we have kow towed to the deep state of arms sales, corporatocracy and a deeply entrenched civil service that supports and enables the 'status quo'. The absolute state of this country at this time. Life is disregarded for someone else's profit and another en suite or bentley or holiday. And the game being played is 'blame Jeremy Corbyn' the bloke that hasn't been in power but all his political life has stood against apartheid, bigotry, racism and even, shock horror, anti semitism. He stood with the miners against Thatcher's state machine and supports the struggle of working people still. But it's all his fault. People need to let go of this selfishness and grow up.
 
Not sure anyone is suggesting the current mess is the fault of Corbyn, or even drawing comparison with the state of the Labour party with the shambles of the Tory party. That shouldn't prevent us being able to cast a critical eye over both Labour as an opposition, and Corbyn as a leader of said opposition though.

Either way, as we're half Czech in this house, Christmas starts today, so I'd like to thank you for your ever interesting contributions to the discussions here, and wish you and yours a very merry Christmas.

And of course, that goes for all the other regular contributors to this sub-forum, and especially those who I've had the good fortune to disagree with so often. Merry Christmas to you all.
 
magicjuan said:
No. First off I've said many times I'm not a huge fan of Corbyn, I do, however, believe in parity, fairness and clarity of purpose. Despite last week's panto, Corbyn tends to attack policy not personality and spell out alternatives. And any alternative that shows fairness to all members of society as opposed to the blood sucking economic vampirism of austerity is welcomed by me.
For decades we have kow towed to the deep state of arms sales, corporatocracy and a deeply entrenched civil service that supports and enables the 'status quo'. The absolute state of this country at this time. Life is disregarded for someone else's profit and another en suite or bentley or holiday. And the game being played is 'blame Jeremy Corbyn' the bloke that hasn't been in power but all his political life has stood against apartheid, bigotry, racism and even, shock horror, anti semitism. He stood with the miners against Thatcher's state machine and supports the struggle of working people still. But it's all his fault. People need to let go of this selfishness and grow up.
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Your civil service line intrigues me. Can you expand on how the civil service supports the status quo (in a negative sense)?
 
Hickson9 said:
Your civil service line intrigues me. Can you expand on how the civil service supports the status quo (in a negative sense)?
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The processes become labourious and certain policies can be lost with obfuscation. It happens to most governments in varying degrees. The political process in this country, from local council level up, is outdated and controlled by unelected suits and methodologies that serve a minority.
 
magicjuan said:
The processes become labourious and certain policies can be lost with obfuscation. It happens to most governments in varying degrees. The political process in this country, from local council level up, is outdated and controlled by unelected suits and methodologies that serve a minority.
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I work in Whitehall myself. Personally I think we're a very useful brake on the more outlandish Ministerial ideas.

Of course there are issues but we are lucky as a country to have a civil service like we do.
 
magicjuan said:
No. First off I've said many times I'm not a huge fan of Corbyn, I do, however, believe in parity, fairness and clarity of purpose. Despite last week's panto, Corbyn tends to attack policy not personality and spell out alternatives. And any alternative that shows fairness to all members of society as opposed to the blood sucking economic vampirism of austerity is welcomed by me.
For decades we have kow towed to the deep state of arms sales, corporatocracy and a deeply entrenched civil service that supports and enables the 'status quo'. The absolute state of this country at this time. Life is disregarded for someone else's profit and another en suite or bentley or holiday. And the game being played is 'blame Jeremy Corbyn' the bloke that hasn't been in power but all his political life has stood against apartheid, bigotry, racism and even, shock horror, anti semitism. He stood with the miners against Thatcher's state machine and supports the struggle of working people still. But it's all his fault. People need to let go of this selfishness and grow up.
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I wouldn´t care half as much for Corbyn if it were not for the way those with power and money go after him. They certainly don´t do so for my benefit. The fact they oppose him so vehemently tells you all you need to know.
 
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