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[Goat]

Big 'kin deal.

They sit at the head of a party that won't even wipe charitable status from private academies or wipe out student debt.

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

Don't agree, you're comparing dying by a knife with dying by a gun, doesn't really matter you're still dying.
At some point this all has to change. Labour will still do tory policies if in government, being done by labour doesn't make them more palatable because 'they're not tories'.
At what point is enough? Look at the opposition cabinet, who gives you hope? Who makes you think things will get better? It isn't negativity, it's based on their performance. Nandy? Rayner? Dodds? Lammy, Streeting or Milliband? None of these people are their on merit, they're there for a reason, because they're supplicant, careerist no marks.
The paucity of 'talent' is deliberate and it attracts the sort of people who will vote themselves a huge pay rise while trampling over the poor.

I feel like this is a really simple, black and white way of looking at things. Politics isn’t like this, it’s complicated and has many shades of grey.

There needs to be better representation of the left in parliament so a vote for greens or any independents is a worth while one.

Where I live, a vote for Labour is wasted and they will do nothing. That’s a wasted vote.

Labour will get in anyway and I live in what is considered one of their safest seats so my vote probably won’t amount to much anyway.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you, it is voting for the lesser of two evils, there needs to be some massive reform in how things are done. But short term these Tories can't be allowed to continue. The long term, the country needs a massive change, but sadly I think the majority are xenophobic, right wing brevity voting wrong uns, the UK is a horrible place.

 

[davek]

So what? They are irrelevant as a political issue to all but about 6 people in the UK. Might get some applause in a meeting, but utterly irrelevant.

Its not irrelevant to the point being made to me by @Goat. He believes a majority state schooled Cabinet is obviously more progressive. I say not.

 

[Goat]

Its not irrelevant to the point being made to me by @Goat. He believes a majority state schooled Cabinet is obviously more progressive. I say not.

For the people, by the people.

But its ok, you vote for The Tofu Party.

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

Dave and Goat at it again!

 

[magicjuan]

So what you're saying here is that the labour party / traditional support base itself wasn't entirely sold on Corbyn. I think? So a move to perhaps appease an influential wing is now upsetting the other wing.

Then maybe Labour should split. If there's no happy medium or road coalition it'll be as bad as the circus we have under this Conservative government.

The political system is not changing in a hurry. I'm afraid the left arm of the Labour Party in a new guise might find itself shouting from the sidelines for a while though. Barring a coalition, which would be uneasy in all likelihood.

But being totally honest, all I see is Starmers Labour stopping things getting any worse at best. The big irony with Blairs Labour was that the So called 'third way' still saw inequalities widen. My view is they just slowed the pace. 13 years of Tory rule have accelerated the pace and size of the gap.

It's a truly unappetising position to be in.

No, that's not what I'm saying. The 'right' of the labour party equates to Cameron's position on the scale, around the time of Brexit. Once Clause 4 went it was over. The changes to labour membership and policy shifted massively to the right, until Corbyn era and the Momentum membership drive, but the system couldn't cope with 'actual real people' being involved in politics, no siree. See what happened in Liverpool when local candidates were ignored in favour of handpicked aparatchiks, careerist and compliant.
The party intended to represent the working people's interests was gone and is, now, in the hands of those who to seek to make it replace conservatism while being exactly the same.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

No, that's not what I'm saying. The 'right' of the labour party equates to Cameron's position on the scale, around the time of Brexit. Once Clause 4 went it was over. The changes to labour membership and policy shifted massively to the right, until Corbyn era and the Momentum membership drive, but the system couldn't cope with 'actual real people' being involved in politics, no siree. See what happened in Liverpool when local candidates were ignored in favour of handpicked aparatchiks, careerist and compliant.
The party intended to represent the working people's interests was gone and is, now, in the hands of those who to seek to make it replace conservatism while being exactly the same.

Then they left of labour needs to go it's own way.

The only way to see how they'd fare. Again, badly I feel. Rightly or wrongly.

 

[magicjuan]

Then they left of labour needs to go it's own way.

The only way to see how they'd fare. Again, badly I feel. Rightly or wrongly.

Why don't the right do that? It was tried before with Williams and Jenkins, remember? That's why I see them as parasites.

 

[davek]

For the people, by the people.

But its ok, you vote for The Tofu Party.

You vote for the Tory Party.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Dave and Goat at it again!

The sex tension is out of control.

 

[Goat]

You vote for the Tory Party.

I have never and will never.

 

[davek]

I have never and will never.

You're about to Vote Red Tory.

 

[Goat]

You're about to Vote Red Tory.

Not a Tory.

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

Not a Tory.

I would

 

[Goat]

I would

Everywhere.