Current Affairs The Labour Party

[Charro]

Ok fine.

Five?

Starmers stance on Israel.

Not supporting workers through strikes.

Corrupt council.

Lack of visibility and accountability at local level.

The purging of left wing party members.

I feel like starmer has made his stance clear how he wants the Labour Party to govern.

It’s not for me. I feel like there’s a space for the Labour party to move towards the centre whilst still adhering to the left wing policies the Labour party should be about, but starmer wants to move the party in a direction I really worry about.

My reasons are more than valid.

Sorry I’m not voting for them because they’re not the tories, but if you want real change in the country you have to accept we need a group of people voting against the status quo we’ve had for the last 50 years.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Starmers stance on Israel.

Not supporting workers through strikes.

Corrupt council.

Lack of visibility and accountability at local level.

The purging of left wing party members.

I feel like starmer has made his stance clear how he wants the Labour Party to govern.

It’s not for me. I feel like there’s a space for the Labour party to move towards the centre whilst still adhering to the left wing policies the Labour party should be about, but starmer wants to move the party in a direction I really worry about.

My reasons are more than valid.

Sorry I’m not voting for them because they’re not the tories, but if you want real change in the country you have to accept we need a group of people voting against the status quo we’ve had for the last 50 years.

Thoughtful, concise, and honest. Will return when I can do the same. Forgive me, a couple to many units.

 

[Charro]

Thoughtful, concise, and honest. Will return when I can do the same. Forgive me, a couple to many units.

You don’t have to.

If you’re voting Labour to just get the tories out then that is more than fine with me. Just some people don’t want to play that game anymore.

Sometimes the team you support lets you down so much you can’t support them anymore. Which is something everybody on this site can relate to.

 

[Rita_Poon]

You don’t have to.

I dreamt of life that it was beauty
I woke to find that life was duty

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Starmers stance on Israel.

Not supporting workers through strikes.

Corrupt council.

Lack of visibility and accountability at local level.

The purging of left wing party members.

I feel like starmer has made his stance clear how he wants the Labour Party to govern.

It’s not for me. I feel like there’s a space for the Labour party to move towards the centre whilst still adhering to the left wing policies the Labour party should be about, but starmer wants to move the party in a direction I really worry about.

My reasons are more than valid.

Sorry I’m not voting for them because they’re not the tories, but if you want real change in the country you have to accept we need a group of people voting against the status quo we’ve had for the last 50 years.

It’s a difficult subject. I can see both points of view and change my mind often but tend to stick with this. Can’t vote in the U.K. now. Depending on the local candidate, not sure I could vote for labour.

Think many people feel similar. Unless something drastic happens in the next year, I expect the Green Party to do well in the next election and labour to make no gains in Scotland (when they could make significant ground). I would also not be surprised with labour being in a fairly weak coalition government with starmer looking like an incompetent fool. Can’t see a repeat of 97 anyways.

 

[Goat]

Revealed: plan to brand anyone ‘undermining’ UK as extremist

Leaked documents spark furious backlash from groups who fear freedom of expression could be suppressed

www.theguardian.com

"Why are you voting Labour" part 438484

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

Starmers stance on Israel.

Not supporting workers through strikes.

Corrupt council.

Lack of visibility and accountability at local level.

The purging of left wing party members.

Do you think the Tories will fix these problems? Or make them even worse?

 

[Charro]

Do you think the Tories will fix these problems? Or make them even worse?

I don’t really see the point in your questions?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Starmers stance on Israel.

Not supporting workers through strikes.

Corrupt council.

Lack of visibility and accountability at local level.

The purging of left wing party members.

I feel like starmer has made his stance clear how he wants the Labour Party to govern.

It’s not for me. I feel like there’s a space for the Labour party to move towards the centre whilst still adhering to the left wing policies the Labour party should be about, but starmer wants to move the party in a direction I really worry about.

My reasons are more than valid.

Sorry I’m not voting for them because they’re not the tories, but if you want real change in the country you have to accept we need a group of people voting against the status quo we’ve had for the last 50 years.

Should a Labour government blindly support striking workers come what may? A government exists to support all of the population, not a tiny minority of it. I get that Labour was born from the trade union movement, but people have howled about the Tories reversing the bankers bonus cap. What's the difference?

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

I don’t really see the point in your questions?

Well you say the Labour party has failed you with the above (and in your opinion valid) reasons, my point is that if you don't have Labour in charge, the Tories will be in charge, and they will do it all 100 times worse. It's not worth imagining another 4 years of these clowns in charge. Any vote for Greens etc is just wasted.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

It’s a difficult subject. I can see both points of view and change my mind often but tend to stick with this. Can’t vote in the U.K. now. Depending on the local candidate, not sure I could vote for labour.

Think many people feel similar. Unless something drastic happens in the next year, I expect the Green Party to do well in the next election and labour to make no gains in Scotland (when they could make significant ground). I would also not be surprised with labour being in a fairly weak coalition government with starmer looking like an incompetent fool. Can’t see a repeat of 97 anyways.

I'm intrigued to see how it all plays out. Just from various conversations I have and observations from social media...

The current Tory government are widely seen as a clown show who have cumulatively inflicted financial pain on an ever increasingly wide proportion of the electorate.

Labour aren't particularly viewed with any enthusiasm, but aren't widely reviled or viewed with suspicion. Yet.

Labour and Starmer are increasingly irritating various noisy social media warriors (Facebook, Twitter etc) I know. The kind who have a particular view of what Labour should be about. Said individuals have reliably been a weather vane of how recent elections have gone. I.e. they've heavily backed remain in the EU, Milliband and Corbyn all whilst being rather rude about folk who might not vote the way they will.

Anecdotally, less strident folk likely to 'swing' consider said individuals "tits" and are quite happy to be voting the way they are not. On that rather unscientific basis, Labour may well get in comfortably

I'm essentially blaming THE FANS here aren't I? I hope @chicoazul is proud.

 

[davek]

Should a Labour government blindly support striking workers come what may? A government exists to support all of the population, not a tiny minority of it. I get that Labour was born from the trade union movement, but people have howled about the Tories reversing the bankers bonus cap. What's the difference?

This is the reason why Bruce does't get it and reveals which side of the debate he's on.

What an absolute howler. Comparing workers looking to maintaining crumbling standards of living with banker parasites who want another massive bonus on top of their stupendous wealth.

...and people like him are now drawn to Starmer's 'Labour'. That's the cut of that party now.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

This is the reason why Bruce does't get it and reveals which side of the debate he's on.

What an absolute howler. Comparing workers looking to maintaining crumbling standards of living with banker parasites who want another massive bonus on top of their stupendous wealth.

...and people like him are now drawn to Starmer's 'Labour'. That's the cut of that party now.

There are 28 million workers in the UK Dave. Less than a quarter are in a union. I'm quite happy for the government to do more for workers in general, and a good chunk of my working life is spent to that end rather than being a bitter whinger on social media.

 

[magicjuan]

Well you say the Labour party has failed you with the above (and in your opinion valid) reasons, my point is that if you don't have Labour in charge, the Tories will be in charge, and they will do it all 100 times worse. It's not worth imagining another 4 years of these clowns in charge. Any vote for Greens etc is just wasted.

Don't agree, you're comparing dying by a knife with dying by a gun, doesn't really matter you're still dying.
At some point this all has to change. Labour will still do tory policies if in government, being done by labour doesn't make them more palatable because 'they're not tories'.
At what point is enough? Look at the opposition cabinet, who gives you hope? Who makes you think things will get better? It isn't negativity, it's based on their performance. Nandy? Rayner? Dodds? Lammy, Streeting or Milliband? None of these people are their on merit, they're there for a reason, because they're supplicant, careerist no marks.
The paucity of 'talent' is deliberate and it attracts the sort of people who will vote themselves a huge pay rise while trampling over the poor.

 

[Charro]

Should a Labour government blindly support striking workers come what may? A government exists to support all of the population, not a tiny minority of it. I get that Labour was born from the trade union movement, but people have howled about the Tories reversing the bankers bonus cap. What's the difference?

No, but I believe the Labour Party should be a lot more supportive than they currently are.

Bear in mind starmer was actively telling MPs not to join picket lines. That’s poor for the Labour Party.

I didn’t say anything about blindly supporting workers, just more support than what they’re currently showing.