The only thing they got right imo, is the vaccine rollout and I’ve yet to work out, whether that was a sheer fluke or a very forward piece of thinking.
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The only thing they got right imo, is the vaccine rollout and I’ve yet to work out, whether that was a sheer fluke or a very forward piece of thinking.
That was more to do with health professionals than the government.
Indeed, it's just weird. I can understand having the opinions espoused, I'm not a massive Starmer fan myself. But to just daily see davek launch two-footed into Starmer with no provocation (this was before the recent misteps over the Middle East), just shameful behaviour from anyone who isn't a paid-up Tory activist. Perhaps they can claim expenses from CCHQ for their broadband.
And on the point of "Labour have to be more than just not the Tories"... can we try having that discussion after gaining power? The current Tory lot came into power on the back of David Cameron's 'hug a hoodie' soft conservatism, having convinced the population they were no longer the nasty lot they'd been in the 80s. This must have appalled a lot of the further-Right members, but instead of sabotaging Cameron's election chances they just worked away from within the governing party, and now 13 years on we've had a succession of absolute b'stards in the Home Secretary job, with the latest Horror wanting to deport as many people as possible to Rwanda, lock up everyone else on a plague ship and now rip away tents from the homeless. All the while wanting to classify people supporting a cause she doesn't agree with as being on 'hate-marches'.
Labour could do similar - get into power with a face that won't upset the electorate, and then work to move the country Leftwards, replacing Starmer as Leader/PM if needed, and the support was there. But it's too much work to do that, so volunteer Tory activists like davek are happier to have Labour just lose the next election so they can sit and snipe from the sidelines about how great everything would be if they were in charge.
Hmmm. Looking at the ladt couple of pages, maybe we need a new thread.
Is @davek a Tory activist or a Labour swivel eyed loon?
Neither imho, he's just strident in his views.
But it's the nature of British politics. Ultimately a lot of us end up having to hold our nose a little to vote for someone. I'm not saying it is right, but you only get in power with broad electoral appeal and the candidate/party who has that quite often isn't what matches up to ideological purity. Compromises, like it or not.
Is @davek a Tory activist or a Labour swivel eyed loon?
Neither imho, he's just strident in his views.
But it's the nature of British politics. Ultimately a lot of us end up having to hold our nose a little to vote for someone. I'm not saying it is right, but you only get in power with broad electoral appeal and the candidate/party who has that quite often isn't what matches up to ideological purity. Compromises, like it or not.
This isn’t the place for a reasonable, well reasoned position. Are you lost?
Their "success" in that regard largely stems from getting out of the way, which I suppose is something that many governments fail at, but still.
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Tory activism being linked to Putin and Russian money. You can see why he is so active in both this and the Ukraine thread. The mask slipped sone time back for all to see what a disgraceful character he is
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@Bruce Wayne, Education there has been improvements at primary school England’s schools have improved. England is now the best in the West when it comes to reading at primary-school age, according to one ranking. When it comes to maths, English students of the same age have improved compared with their European peers (even if they lag Asian ones). Befitted by having for the most part a constant minister (Gibb) other ministries have had many housing,15 in the same time. Probably all undone now by strikes and and not paying people enough to stay in the education sector. And of course dodgy concreate.
what a shame.
Didn't a Tory MP get sacked this week for speaking out, though? And certainly El Ghazi did by his football club.
Starmer is far from perfect (for the Left like me), but I fully understand why he has been the way we has on this subject. And that's a fault of the system and press and not him per se.
And no, that's not good enough. But political suicide is not an option.
It's all so horrendous to me.
I’m inclined to agree to an extent. Don’t think this is an easy situation for him but that can’t mean he’s free from any criticism for his position just because we all have to keep quiet to get the tories out as was being suggested.
He said what he said, wrong imo, and I think if he had that interview again, he wouldn't have said it. Hell, he knew what he said wrong and was trying to 180 it during the very same interview. But the soundbite was made and here we are.
He's not in a position of power, ultimately. Sunak and Biden are. The media is. And this is where my anger is directed towards.
Starmer is 100% a Tory. It doesn’t take much research to see that. He also supports genocide.
Plenty of people on the left and even towards the centre have valid criticisms of starmer and the Labour Party in general but they seem to fall on deaf ears in this thread.
Don’t recall it being like this during the Corbyn years.
You’re all just as bad as the right wing cranks when it comes to blaming “the left” for everything.
This is a post by someone who voted for starmer as leader as they wanted Labour to move more towards the centre to become more electable.
There’s loads of us about. Maybe listen to us instead of shutting us down all the time?
Do you want genuine change or do you just want your team to win?
Don’t recall it being like this during the Corbyn years.
You’re all just as bad as the right wing cranks when it comes to blaming “the left” for everything.
This is a post by someone who voted for starmer as leader as they wanted Labour to move more towards the centre to become more electable.
There’s loads of us about. Maybe listen to us instead of shutting us down all the time?
Do you want genuine change or do you just want your team to win?
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