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Have been a bit of a Starmer apologist because I think there was tactic to his approach and I just want the Tories out, however, a supposed "Proud Trade Unionist" sacking someone who was rightfully standing with RMT is unforgivable and he is a traitor to everything Labour should stand for.
 
…I agree. I think they are supporting people by not condemning the strikes.

The media circus inevitably ask Shadow Ministers; “would you have voted for this strike”. It’s a nonsense of a question because they are not employed in that industry and directly involved in the circumstances of the situation.

Labour need to maintain the line of not condemning strikes & supporting the right of all workers to withdraw their labour. I was a trade union member for over 40 years, I’m 100% in favour of workers protecting their jobs and the rights they’ve secured over many years.

We need a Labour Opposition

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…I don’t think he’s missing an opportunity in supporting individual strikes. He needs to capture Conservative voters if Labour have a chance of winning the next GE.

With Conservatives in turmoil, Starmer should not condemn strikes but should also not support specific disputes.


And he should not be picking fights with his own side.
 
Have been a bit of a Starmer apologist because I think there was tactic to his approach and I just want the Tories out, however, a supposed "Proud Trade Unionist" sacking someone who was rightfully standing with RMT is unforgivable and he is a traitor to everything Labour should stand for.

Why do this? Claiming to be a Labour sympathiser and then ignoring completely what the party said as to the reason for the sacking? You couldn't have any random MP chatting merrily to the media on every picket line without some party discipline.


Picket lines are clearly always going to be a delicate line for any elected Labour politician. In my own small way I know this personally as whilst I support the dispute and workers rights I have to be aware that I'm meant to serve all constituents and many will be hugely impacted by the strikes. It also plays out very badly in the media and we've an election to win if we want to get rid of the Tories
 
That's the challenge though I suppose. The Tories have gained ground by leaning heavily on social conservatism, as fiscally they've probably been the most left-leaning Tory government ever. That was enough to win them the red wall, but there are strong signs of them losing their southern base as they've been thumped in recent by-elections where the constant culture-warring and immigrant bashing doesn't go down as well.

Labour has a similar balancing act to pull, as their metropolitan voters are pretty different from the red wall voters, especially on social matters. The Tories won in large part because the southern base was so put off by Corbyn that they held their nose and went with the Tories as the least bad option. I wonder if Labour will do similar with their metropolitan base.

It is pretty unedifying but we're in an essentially two-party system so whoever wins will inevitably have to cover a pretty wide area ideologically, and that's just among their supporters.

I spoke to someone internally, involved in politics a couple of years ago, who said that Johnson and Starmer were trying to inhibit the same space, and it was a question of who would blink 1st.

With Johnson gone, the scandals associated, and Tory candidates trying to out jump each other on who can be more austere/tax cutty, it's fair to say Starmer has won on that terrain.

I think the other calculation Starmer makes, is that this government is so loathed, standard Labour voters will be willing to forgive a lot more, in order to vote for them.

For the Tories, the big concerns they would have, would be in a context of Priti Patel as home Sec and planes flying refugees to Rwanda, it made no dent to the polls and people deserted them. It suggests that people are either growing immune to that messaging, or that they are not capturing the mood.
 
I think the other calculation Starmer makes, is that this government is so loathed, standard Labour voters will be willing to forgive a lot more, in order to vote for them.
100% and maybe he can somehow scrape through like Biden did against Trump but where do voters go from that? Maybe get 4 years of a weak Labour government before getting trounced by an even further right Tory party as the U.K. becomes a far-right bloater island.
 
Why do this? Claiming to be a Labour sympathiser and then ignoring completely what the party said as to the reason for the sacking? You couldn't have any random MP chatting merrily to the media on every picket line without some party discipline.


Picket lines are clearly always going to be a delicate line for any elected Labour politician. In my own small way I know this personally as whilst I support the dispute and workers rights I have to be aware that I'm meant to serve all constituents and many will be hugely impacted by the strikes. It also plays out very badly in the media and we've an election to win if we want to get rid of the Tories

I'm a labour voter, mate. And likely will be all my life unless some other left-leaning party ever comes to prominence. Most people with my views on Starmer are still gonna vote for him anyway because we're fundamentally anti-tory.

I know the party line is he was sacked for unauthorised interviews but it's hard to not take it as anti-union. If they were neutral they could have just disciplined him but instead.
 
…not sure he’s picking fights. If shadow ministers don’t tow the Party line, he has to act.

Be interesting what Angela Raynor makes of the situation.
He is picking fights, he has sacked a senior Labour member who has stood on a principled position in that he supported the right to strike. If you are a member of a party which purports to have socialist values and you then find that that party has decided to forsake those socialist values for a chance of borrowing Tory votes then I am happy to see members of the party breaking ranks. You don’t defeat people by sacking them you defeat them with the weight of your argument, Starmer clearly has no gravitas, he has power by virtue of his position not by virtue of his argument.
 
…not sure he’s picking fights. If shadow ministers don’t tow the Party line, he has to act.

Ignoring Tory/Momentum traps not playing their media trap game is exactly what Labour should be been doing.

Hence the significant poll leads.

Apparently this is still not good enough, shrugs shoulders...

Be interesting what Angela Raynor makes of the situation.
Professionally or personally, maybe both!
 
It's a bit of a storm in teacup on reflection. Collective cabinet responsibility is basic after all.
The current tory PM candidates are picking policies off the vine and trashing the very things they voted for in government.

But Labour always has to be squeaky clean don't they?
 
….I’ve mentioned my MP, Ian Byrne, on here before. He’s the one who posted misogynistic comments about Everton fans wives & girlfriends locking themselves up after a defeat. I have held real doubts about his suitability for high public office.

No idea what is going on now but have seen this;

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