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BigMick said:
I understand 10 out of 10 local branches voted against Tarry, meaning they want him to fight for his seat in an open selection process. Some Trade Unions also voted against him. Apparently Tarry has never been popular in his constituency since he was foisted on the local party at the expense of their chosen candidate. Jas Athwal.

Some of what went on can be read about here:
https://labourlist.org/2020/09/stre...-launch-probe-into-council-leader-suspension/

Regarding Apsana Begum, I know she won her court case and has been off sick but I have no idea why she faces a re-selection battle. Perhaps someone who follows these things could enlighten us.
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If imposing candidates against the will of the local party justifies open selections now, one wonders why even suggesting that be attempted was so wrong between 2015-2020.
 
tsubaki said:
If imposing candidates against the will of the local party justifies open selections now, one wonders why even suggesting that be attempted was so wrong between 2015-2020.
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That's fair enough but what's done is done. It seems a fair policy to me provided it isn't abused, which is why I asked about Apsana Begum. She won her court case so that can't be held against her; she suffered a stress-related illness, possibly as a result of the court case, which should bring her sympathy rather than criticism. Some of her supporters are crying racism, which would be disgusting if true, although it's equally disgusting to throw that at her critics if not true and their criticism is legitimate.
 
Eggs said:
….Starmer has to make Labour electable, just as Blair did. The party has to attract Conservative voters, he needs to be strong and stand against the Corbynists.

I have always thought Starmer would likely set the party up for the next Labour PM, in a similar way Kinnock did resisting the left wing members.

He’s not against the right to strike, he not against individual strike actions but he’s choosing not to directly support strikes. I think that’s sensible.
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Great post.
 
It blows my mind a little bit that after a decade of Tory rule the various sectors of the Labour Party/supporting population continue with this self flagellation.

We must accept a pragmatic approach if we want a Labour government. I absolutely do not agree with every stance Kier Starmer takes, I voted Corbyn at every chance, but we must accept that the path to power is never without compromise.
 
Brennan said:
It blows my mind a little bit that after a decade of Tory rule the various sectors of the Labour Party/supporting population continue with this self flagellation.

We must accept a pragmatic approach if we want a Labour government. I absolutely do not agree with every stance Kier Starmer takes, I voted Corbyn at every chance, but we must accept that the path to power is never without compromise.
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This bit, I get the impression that ordinarily labour voting types have switched to con because they're aware that the roof needs fixing whilst the sun shines and its best to get that done right quick, because otherwise it costs me* more in the every other type of scenario there is.
Sadly the rub is, why sell something once when you can sell it again and get paid twice. (fixing something means its fixed, patching it up means it needs fixing again. kerching!)
 
You can be pragmatic and stand for something though.

The right have done such a job on this country where the Labour Party are now genuinely terrified of left wing policies.

It’s a really sad state of affairs. He should be challenging the right, not pandering to it.

Left wing policies are good but something as simple as raising taxes to invest in public services is now seen as ‘radical’.

It’s up to the Labour Party to effectively challenge the misinformation put out there. That’s what Corbyn was really poor at. Starmer is the same, just without the policies.
 
Charro said:
You can be pragmatic and stand for something though.

The right have done such a job on this country where the Labour Party are now genuinely terrified of left wing policies.

It’s a really sad state of affairs. He should be challenging the right, not pandering to it.

Left wing policies are good but something as simple as raising taxes to invest in public services is now seen as ‘radical’.

It’s up to the Labour Party to effectively challenge the misinformation put out there. That’s what Corbyn was really poor at. Starmer is the same, just without the policies.
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TBF a lot of where Labour have gone wrong since 2010 is to so often take the easy way out and talk about policies, beliefs and so on.

They'd be far better off talking about the Conservative's quality of governing and leadership - firstly because they have demonstrably been terrible at it (tens of billions wasted / "lost" and leaders who bailed out, failed and then disgraced the country) and secondly because it is much easier to get people to believe than a clever policy is.
 
tsubaki said:
TBF a lot of where Labour have gone wrong since 2010 is to so often take the easy way out and talk about policies, beliefs and so on.

They'd be far better off talking about the Conservative's quality of governing and leadership - firstly because they have demonstrably been terrible at it (tens of billions wasted / "lost" and leaders who bailed out, failed and then disgraced the country) and secondly because it is much easier to get people to believe than a clever policy is.
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Which policies has Starmer talked about….
 
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