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Why would he not offer support to people, in the midst of a cost of living crisis, taking action to try and safeguard their jobs, and have a pay rise to partially keep pace with increased costs?

That's the bit I dont really understand. Or I do understand, pragmatism, but it is hard to swallow mate. It's not ordinary who have caused this mess, yet we always tend to get vilified.

…I agree. I think they are supporting people by not condemning the strikes.

The media circus inevitably ask Shadow Ministers; “would you have voted for this strike”. It’s a nonsense of a question because they are not employed in that industry and directly involved in the circumstances of the situation.

Labour need to maintain the line of not condemning strikes & supporting the right of all workers to withdraw their labour. I was a trade union member for over 40 years, I’m 100% in favour of workers protecting their jobs and the rights they’ve secured over many years.

We need a Labour Government.
 
I genuinely liked him at first. He started off the PMQs with a bit of a bang and made a good start.

He’s done absolutely nothing since then to align himself with Labour supporters.

Needs binning off ASAP. I’d like to see someone like Andy Burnham in his position. At least he is outspoken about the needs of normal people.

Burnham can be outspoken at the moment, because of his lack of position. burnham is in the pocket of the multi-million property investors in Manchester has has already knocked down homeless shelters in favour or them. he is very similar to Blair, in many ways.
 
Burnham can be outspoken at the moment, because of his lack of position. burnham is in the pocket of the multi-million property investors in Manchester has has already knocked down homeless shelters in favour or them. he is very similar to Blair, in many ways.
Sigh. I’ve heard Burnham has a dark side, but I didn’t realise he was so two faced.

A slimmer Joe Anderson, it seems.
 
Sigh. I’ve heard Burnham has a dark side, but I didn’t realise he was so two faced.

A slimmer Joe Anderson, it seems.

I'm sure what he is doing will be legal, and he might appeal to a lot of people (and i'd prefer him to Starmer) but obv a mayor to Labour leader is very different
 
Why would he not offer support to people, in the midst of a cost of living crisis, taking action to try and safeguard their jobs, and have a pay rise to partially keep pace with increased costs?

That's the bit I dont really understand. Or I do understand, pragmatism, but it is hard to swallow mate. It's not ordinary who have caused this mess, yet we always tend to get vilified.


What puzzles me is why he is so reluctant to, if not come right out in support of the strike, at least show some empathy with the strikers and go down to a picket line and be seen with them.

He is missing out on an opportunity.

As far as I can see the strike enjoys widespread support among even the most inconvenienced of commuters.

Mick has captured the zeitgeist of a public totally demoralised and worried about their finances and the blatant corruption and incompetence of this rotten government and the undisguised profiteering of energy companies.

Even today some of them are reporting record profits as our petrol, electricity and gas prices surge.

IMO Starmer should be joining Mick and harnessing this new found, fighting back spirit instead of sitting on his hands.

Starmer is facing an open goal as these two beauts freely admit on TV as they cut lumps out os one another that the government they were an intregal part of has created a mess that only they can “fix”.

Really?

It is something out of Bizarro World.

Yet there he is, that open goal gaping in front of him…and Starmer turns right round and fires the ball into his own net.

I want so much to get behind a Labour leader and I do sincerely hope Starmer is in Downing Street within the next two years.

But God, I find it hard to support him and impossible to like him.
 
What puzzles me is why he is so reluctant to, if not come right out in support of the strike, at least show some empathy with the strikers and go down to a picket line and be seen with them.

He is missing out on an opportunity.

As far as I can see the strike enjoys widespread support among even the most inconvenienced of commuters.

Mick has captured the zeitgeist of a public totally demoralised and worried about their finances and the blatant corruption and incompetence of this rotten government and the undisguised profiteering of energy companies.

Even today some of them are reporting record profits as our petrol, electricity and gas prices surge.

IMO Starmer should be joining Mick and harnessing this new found, fighting back spirit instead of sitting on his hands.

Starmer is facing an open goal as these two beauts freely admit on TV as they cut lumps out os one another that the government they were an intregal part of has created a mess that only they can “fix”.

Really?

It is something out of Bizarro World.

Yet there he is, that open goal gaping in front of him…and Starmer turns right round and fires the ball into his own net.

I want so much to get behind a Labour leader and I do sincerely hope Starmer is in Downing Street within the next two years.

But God, I find it hard to support him and impossible to like him.
Even if he didn't openly support the strike , he should go all out to get the facts out there of the governments actions that are the root cause of the strike.
i have seen no evidence of him doing anything of the sort.
 
Be more interested in Labour policy for our entire rail network in the coming months to be honest.

Personally would like see a public transport entirely in public hands, a bus network for me.

Train network as in infrastructure has long gone (Dr Beeching), cut it loose from tax payer subsidies and fully privatize it for me.

It's all very well standing and' chanting wanna we want...' with the workers, saying you support them.

Actually supporting them by getting into power and improving conditions... That's what it actually means to PAYE workers.
 

I am finding it harder and harder to support Starmer.

Imagine picking a fight with your own people as the Tory leadership contenders threaten to gallop ever rightwards in pursuit of the some kind of quasi fascist state.

His CLP are in the process of deselecting him predating his piccket line appearnece, one might say he has seen an opportunity... Nicer politics hey!

 
Unlike the Tories, Labour have to be squeaky clean or the press jump on them. It's amazing how they bite their own feet off though.
 
What puzzles me is why he is so reluctant to, if not come right out in support of the strike, at least show some empathy with the strikers and go down to a picket line and be seen with them.

He is missing out on an opportunity.

As far as I can see the strike enjoys widespread support among even the most inconvenienced of commuters.

Mick has captured the zeitgeist of a public totally demoralised and worried about their finances and the blatant corruption and incompetence of this rotten government and the undisguised profiteering of energy companies.

Even today some of them are reporting record profits as our petrol, electricity and gas prices surge.

IMO Starmer should be joining Mick and harnessing this new found, fighting back spirit instead of sitting on his hands.

Starmer is facing an open goal as these two beauts freely admit on TV as they cut lumps out os one another that the government they were an intregal part of has created a mess that only they can “fix”.

Really?

It is something out of Bizarro World.

Yet there he is, that open goal gaping in front of him…and Starmer turns right round and fires the ball into his own net.

I want so much to get behind a Labour leader and I do sincerely hope Starmer is in Downing Street within the next two years.

But God, I find it hard to support him and impossible to like him.

Mick Lynch by himself is doing a great job for his members. Long may it continue,

Not so sure a Labour Shadow Government can openly support this action given the wider travel chaos we are experiencing in UK during the School holidays.

Bad optics to be seen openly supporting more of it despite good reason for the right to strike.

Given the backdrop for first time in over two years we have been able to be freely out and about in summer months.

For any shadow Government wanting to be actual government its not one you should be openly supporting.

Few voters if any would switch their vote to Labour on that basis that Tarrry has been sacked from his junior shadow government position.

However, there would have been considerably more who would have taken issue with a Labour party actively openly supporting strikers.

Which was why Tarry shouldn't have done what he did.

Accept the principle of Strike and that's it, pragmatism.
 
….Starmer has to make Labour electable, just as Blair did. The party has to attract Conservative voters, he needs to be strong and stand against the Corbynists.

I have always thought Starmer would likely set the party up for the next Labour PM, in a similar way Kinnock did resisting the left wing members.

He’s not against the right to strike, he not against individual strike actions but he’s choosing not to directly support strikes. I think that’s sensible.
Blair didn’t get into power by losing his left wing base though. He kept it and won the middle ground. ‘Socialism with a human face’ At least there was some pretence to it all.

Corbyn became politically toxic to many but he also gained a lot of interest from young people which has now all been shat on. I know several people who’ve left the Labour Party in recent years because of the direction it’s taking and none that have joined.

Starmer isn’t even trying to engage with the left. He’s trying to appeal to voters who left Labour to vote for Boris Johnson meaning his message is completely muddled. Voters don’t like muddled messages. Simple slogans and messages win elections.

I stand by there being no chance that Starmer wins the next election.
 
Blair didn’t get into power by losing his left wing base though. He kept it and won the middle ground. ‘Socialism with a human face’ At least there was some pretence to it all.

Corbyn became politically toxic to many but he also gained a lot of interest from young people which has now all been shat on. I know several people who’ve left the Labour Party in recent years because of the direction it’s taking and none that have joined.

Starmer isn’t even trying to engage with the left. He’s trying to appeal to voters who left Labour to vote for Boris Johnson meaning his message is completely muddled. Voters don’t like muddled messages. Simple slogans and messages win elections.

I stand by there being no chance that Starmer wins the next election.
That's the challenge though I suppose. The Tories have gained ground by leaning heavily on social conservatism, as fiscally they've probably been the most left-leaning Tory government ever. That was enough to win them the red wall, but there are strong signs of them losing their southern base as they've been thumped in recent by-elections where the constant culture-warring and immigrant bashing doesn't go down as well.

Labour has a similar balancing act to pull, as their metropolitan voters are pretty different from the red wall voters, especially on social matters. The Tories won in large part because the southern base was so put off by Corbyn that they held their nose and went with the Tories as the least bad option. I wonder if Labour will do similar with their metropolitan base.

It is pretty unedifying but we're in an essentially two-party system so whoever wins will inevitably have to cover a pretty wide area ideologically, and that's just among their supporters.
 
What puzzles me is why he is so reluctant to, if not come right out in support of the strike, at least show some empathy with the strikers and go down to a picket line and be seen with them.

He is missing out on an opportunity.

As far as I can see the strike enjoys widespread support among even the most inconvenienced of commuters.

Mick has captured the zeitgeist of a public totally demoralised and worried about their finances and the blatant corruption and incompetence of this rotten government and the undisguised profiteering of energy companies.

Even today some of them are reporting record profits as our petrol, electricity and gas prices surge.

IMO Starmer should be joining Mick and harnessing this new found, fighting back spirit instead of sitting on his hands.

Starmer is facing an open goal as these two beauts freely admit on TV as they cut lumps out os one another that the government they were an intregal part of has created a mess that only they can “fix”.

Really?

It is something out of Bizarro World.

Yet there he is, that open goal gaping in front of him…and Starmer turns right round and fires the ball into his own net.

I want so much to get behind a Labour leader and I do sincerely hope Starmer is in Downing Street within the next two years.

But God, I find it hard to support him and impossible to like him.

…I don’t think he’s missing an opportunity in supporting individual strikes. He needs to capture Conservative voters if Labour have a chance of winning the next GE.

With Conservatives in turmoil, Starmer should not condemn strikes but should also not support specific disputes.
 
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