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I did say some public sectors. Quite surprised by that graph though, we need more unions in the private sector.
I outlined some of the things I'd personally like to see before, and none of them are particularly sexy, but all are things that are both achievable and would make a big difference. Call me old fashioned, but we've had a prolonged period of fantasy rubbish from Johnson and his gang. We need a period now of modest and sober delivery rather than promising the earth and being unable to deliver.
As I mentioned earlier, the average public sector worker tends to be slightly better educated than the average private sector worker. When you compare like with like, the gap is 0.9%
It's also perhaps worth remembering that things like pensions and job security are significantly higher in the public sector.
Not with 91k job cuts being announced.
The argument should never be public vs private sector though which is how people always frame it.
I've worked in both, the public sector used to be a lot more desirable than it is now and that's through cuts, lack of investment, stagnant wages, horrific government policy, and now a threat to 40% of the workforce. Bare in mind the immense pressure staff have been under through dealing with the roll out of UC, Brexit, Windrush and the pandemic. Instead of being compensated for that, we're threatened with massive job cuts across the board.
It should be challenged and if people in the private sector think it's unfair then it's up to them to unionise and try to get a better deal for themselves. We need more unions in the private sector imo.
I was only responding as I was asked to, but the point remains that if Starmer becomes prime minister then he's the prime minister for the whole country. I get a sense with some Labour folk that they think when he's in its open season for them and their interests, as though he only needs to look out for whatever members want.
I touched on it before, but there have been considerable changes in the workplace over the past few years, and the policy landscape has not kept pace at all. For instance, we're in a world now where more and more people have side hustles or dip in and out of work, yet the welfare system still operates a cliff edge whenever you earn a penny yourself. That's daft. There's also minimal state support for lifelong learning, for instance. I know the RSA have done a fair bit on this topic, and implementing some of their recommendations would do more for more people than introducing headline grabbing pay rises for a few well-connected people.
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The second part of your post isn’t relevant to the discussion and the first part as Bruce has shown is wrong.
A friend of mine works for the civil service, during Covid they were working from home on full pay (not furlough) for about 12 months, despite having no work to do. The part of the civil service I’m talking about then secured a bumper pay increase for many of its staff including them.
I don’t begrudge them at all, but let’s not pretend like civil servants are all hard done to.
Was this HMRC or DWP?
Both departments have been given pay rises over the last five years but that's only to come in line with the rest of the civil service and comes at expense of certain working conditions such as working until 8pm, or having to work weekends, plus bonuses were taken away.
Having been in the civil service since 2016 there's been a clear shift in attitude since Brexit and the 2019 election which has now resulted in the possibility of 91k jobs being lost.
I joined the Civil Service for job security, that has now been taken away.
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The Labour party is dead, example 640
…pitting public v private sectors is what usually happens under Conservative Governments. It shouldn’t happen.
Public services suffer when Conservatives are in power, I know this after working over 40 years in the public sector. The public shouldn’t complain at the lack of ambulances, the NHS waiting lists, the lack of basic teaching materials in schools etc if they take sides against Civil Servants.
Whoever becomes PM will cut public service to fund tax cuts.
Regarding your last point, I was one of the last fortunate ones with a lovely final salary pension at 60 but those days have gone for the majority who now have to work until state pension age and are paid an amount based on average earnings over the life of their career.
Probably made the decision after reading the comments section in the daily Mail.
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