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[Old Blue 2]

I'm a person and I work, therefore I'm an ordinary person. Maybe the fact that you think unions don't exist for "people like me" is half of the problem.

And that shows your crippled thinking. Are the top strata of society 'ordinary people'? Is the PM an ordinary person? Are diplomats ordinary people? Are the 'bowler-hat brigade' ordinary people?

Please don't feed me crap, Bruce...

Not gonna reply to you again on this topic, as there is absolutely no point in wasting time...

 

[Bruce Wayne]

And that shows your crippled thinking. Are the top strata of society 'ordinary people'? Is the PM an ordinary person? Are diplomats ordinary people? Are the 'bowler-hat brigade' ordinary people?

Please don't feed me crap, Bruce...

Not gonna reply to you again on this topic, as there is absolutely no point in wasting time...

Again, I'm not sure what makes you think I'm a "top strata of society". In a strict definition, I'm a gig worker, I just happen to work with universities and organisations like that. I live in a working class area of Elephant and Castle (just around the corner from the former Labour HQ), don't own a car, much less a luxury one. My folks largely operated in and around Morris Garages (as was). My in laws likewise with Skoda. If that qualifies me as the "top strata of society" then that's one heck of a skewed compass.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/bjir.12571 this study looks at how young people feel about unions, and the number who are distinctly ambivalent has grown considerably over the last few decades, which strongly suggests that unions have failed to maintain their relevance in a more market driven economy. That study also found that women and non-white people were more likely than average to have an unfavourable view of unions, which again highlights how they have failed to adapt to a world in which their operations don't revolve around the kind of manual work done by "working class" men.

Personally speaking, it's less that I don't see unions as useful, I'm just put off by how some of them carry on.

Let's just say I've witnessed UCU branches behaving dreadfully. Folk who may sign up don't want to be associated, including myself.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Personally speaking, it's less that I don't see unions as useful, I'm just put off by how some of them carry on.

Let's just say I've witnessed UCU branches behaving dreadfully. Folk who may sign up don't want to be associated, including myself.

This kind of thing doesn't help

GMB union institutionally sexist, inquiry finds

Bullying, misogyny, cronyism and sexual harassment endemic in union, QC’s report says

www.theguardian.com

 

[edge]

I mean if you wanted to do a degree or gain some other qualification, would your union support you? There seems to be the standard schtick that members' lot is improved most when they're in a monopoly position and can therefore wield great power by going on strike. If that scenario doesn't exist then unions don't really do much because their entire focus is on extracting as much out of what is rather than preparing members for what will be.

Again mate don't jump to quick a conclusion .
The union offers learning support for all members.
My old mate on merseyrail did two decree courses in work and later wrote a book and was on bbc talking about it.
There are plenty of people on the rail with all sorts of degrees.

 

[woomy]

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/bjir.12571 this study looks at how young people feel about unions, and the number who are distinctly ambivalent has grown considerably over the last few decades, which strongly suggests that unions have failed to maintain their relevance in a more market driven economy. That study also found that women and non-white people were more likely than average to have an unfavourable view of unions, which again highlights how they have failed to adapt to a world in which their operations don't revolve around the kind of manual work done by "working class" men.

You could possibly look at it another way. Unions have not really kicked up a stink.for a while. So the youth of today, don't know what they actually do and what they stand for and how they help. Now they are starting to get hold of their balls, taking action and be in the news, with a higher profile, maybe that changes. We will see in a few years.
Maybe nothing changes. Maybe it does.

 

[edge]

Again, I'm not sure what makes you think I'm a "top strata of society". In a ker, I just happen to work with universities and organisations like that. I live in a working class area of Elephant and Castle (just around the corner from the former Labour HQ), don't own a car, much less a luxury one. My folks largely operated in and around Morris Garages (as was). My in laws likewise with Skoda. If that qualifies me as the "top strata of society" then that's one heck of a skewed compass.

I am miles richer than you mate.
That dosnt make me in that bracket either .

 

[grandjoeblue]

You could possibly look at it another way. Unions have not really kicked up a stink.for a while. So the youth of today, don't know what they actually do and what they stand for and how they help. Now they are starting to get hold of their balls, taking action and be in the news, with a higher profile, maybe that changes. We will see in a few years.
Maybe nothing changes. Maybe it does.

The UK media mostly being heavily against unions also probably doesn't help.

 

[random]

I don't know what you think academics actually do.

Post on here between reading scientific papers ?

 

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[mahermi1]

The UK media mostly being heavily against unions also probably doesn't help.

It's not just that, the constant changing of laws have made it far harder for any trades union to operate. Being in a union doesn't give you the protection it used to but it is still in my opinion much safer to have a trade union to call back on.

 

[edge]

How is David Lammy even in this party.
A labour man who says he doesn't support a strike by workers on BA who have had 10% of there wages cut?
Honestly would vote for him if he was my MP

 

[Jebus_lives]

Again, I'm not sure what makes you think I'm a "top strata of society". In a strict definition, I'm a gig worker, I just happen to work with universities and organisations like that. I live in a working class area of Elephant and Castle (just around the corner from the former Labour HQ), don't own a car, much less a luxury one. My folks largely operated in and around Morris Garages (as was). My in laws likewise with Skoda. If that qualifies me as the "top strata of society" then that's one heck of a skewed compass.

You Metropolitan Elite types sicken me!!!

 

[Haydn]

It's not just that, the constant changing of laws have made it far harder for any trades union to operate. Being in a union doesn't give you the protection it used to but it is still in my opinion much safer to have a trade union to call back on.

Had a major issue at work very recently. Been a union member since I was 16, I’m 65 now.

HR blah blah, sorry to have to tell you etc. Can I just stop you right there, here’s the details of my union. All future discussion will be with them present.

But you are a (very) senior manager, you shouldn’t be in a union. This conversation proves exactly why I am a member.

Suck on that lemon.

Happy as a sandboy with the outcome. Not to be in a union is a mega mistake, no matter what your position.

 

[edge]

I'm a person and I work, therefore I'm an ordinary person. Maybe the fact that you think unions don't exist for "people like me" is half of the problem.

If there isn't a place for someone like you it's the unions faults.
And they should address it.