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wainy said:
I’d love to believe this but feel Starmer is so incompetent that they would still win the next GE. He’s a Tory with a red tie.
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For me Starmer has a desire to change things, even if it's just to undo all the shoddy practices of the last 12 years. But he has to get into power first, and to do that means fighting a good fight against a stacked system. It's not about winning the battles, it's about winning the war.

So I really don't see the problem. Since the gaming changing General election defeat that empowered Johnson no one ever expected he could achieve which is why he now believes he can behave beyond impunity.

Starmer and his cabinet have turned the polls around. He must be doing a lot of things that work with with other parts of the electorate.
 
ChesterBlue said:
One of the cruxes of this strike is the damage that the Tory privatisation has inflicted on the country’s services and architecture. The corporations running everything for their shareholders profits and massive executive salaries has been exasperating the spiralling Cost of living prices by keeping workers wages down while also inflating prices nigh on across the board
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Network Rail has revenue of just shy of £10bn. How much do their executives earn compared to executives of similarly sized companies? Do the same comparison with cleaners or checkout staff in other sectors.
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
For me Starmer has a desire to change things, even if it's just to undo all the shoddy practices of the last 12 years. But he has to get into power first, and to do that means fighting a good fight against a stacked system. It's not about winning the battles, it's about winning the war.

So I really don't see the problem. Since the gaming changing General election defeat that empowered Johnson no one ever expected he could achieve which is why he now believes he can behave beyond impunity.

Starmer and his cabinet have turned the polls around. He must be doing a lot of things that work with with other parts of the electorate.
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Whilst I don’t keep fully abreast of politics day to day, I couldnt name a single policy he is pushing. I get the Tories appear to be imploding and that’s why, imo, labour are ahead in the polls right now but when push comes to shove I still feel that people won’t trust labour to run the country, despite their relative successes in the council elections recently. More to do with people protesting against Boris. He’s a bit of an empty vessel to me, he doesn’t represent the working man or even the lower middle class. I hope I’m wrong but I can’t see labour getting in power without forming some sort of alliance at the next GE.
 
mahermi1 said:
Hard to believe that figure is so low..:( No wonder companies can and do walk all over employees nowadays, always been in the union and always will.
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It's generally a "sellers" market if you've got good skills at the moment as in many disciplines there is a real skills shortage. Indeed, in many sectors that aren't highly skilled there is an intense labour shortage. I've no doubt that exploitation does occur, but equally I'm not sure it's as widespread as you fear.
 
Lobster Johnson said:
Maybe more of us should join a union.
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Maybe many of us don't see the need? It's perhaps noticeable that unions have only endured in areas, such as the public sector, where there is a monopoly provision of services, so strikes retain their ability to blackmail. When no such monopoly exists, you don't appear to have unions as "strikes" is all they offer. They need to get with the times if they want to be attractive.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Maybe many of us don't see the need? It's perhaps noticeable that unions have only endured in areas, such as the public sector, where there is a monopoly provision of services, so strikes retain their ability to blackmail. When no such monopoly exists, you don't appear to have unions as "strikes" is all they offer. They need to get with the times if they want to be attractive.
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Was warning last night by no other than Iain Dale of LBC, he was discussing union power.on his show and as he been taken back by polls, even though one poll will come out in support and another against the RMT, his warning for government was strike normally saw a distinct disadvantage in polls, this time there is almost parity.

No doubt because the cost of living now effecting more full time working people than ever before. And let's be honest most people who are effected by cost living already have long given up the train as their regular method of transport.
 
wainy said:
Whilst I don’t keep fully abreast of politics day to day, I couldnt name a single policy he is pushing. I get the Tories appear to be imploding and that’s why, imo, labour are ahead in the polls right now but when push comes to shove I still feel that people won’t trust labour to run the country, despite their relative successes in the council elections recently. More to do with people protesting against Boris. He’s a bit of an empty vessel to me, he doesn’t represent the working man or even the lower middle class. I hope I’m wrong but I can’t see labour getting in power without forming some sort of alliance at the next GE.
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There is not much to be honest. However windfall tax on the energy companies was a clear warning to all opposed to this Tory government on why Labour should not come out years ahead with policy.

Because Tories will nick the headline idea in name only, completely change the fundamental parts of the policy to favour said companies but frame it as the same policy. And the media report Tory government have implemented a Labour policy.

And then everyone screams Labour are Tories in a red tie. Rinse and repeat.
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
Was warning last night by no other than Iain Dale of LBC, he was discussing union power.on his show and as he been taken back by polls, even though one poll will come out in support and another against the RMT, his warning for government was strike normally saw a distinct disadvantage in polls, this time there is almost parity.

No doubt because the cost of living now effecting more full time working people than ever before. And let's be honest most people who are effected by cost living already have long given up the train as their regular method of transport.
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There was some research published a view days ago by MIT showing how the financial crisis bolstered support for populist parties (in this instance on the right)

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How the debt crisis of 2008-09 fueled populist politics

Research by MIT’s Emil Verner shows that rising debt helped fuel right-wing populist gains in Hungarian politics.
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Whereas that saw general anti-immigrant sentiment, it has also coincided with a rise in big government across the right. It would not surprise me whatsoever if there wasn't a corresponding rise in support for populism during our current economic situation. That doesn't make it right any more than the rise of right-wing populism after 2008 was right.
 
mahermi1 said:
Hard to believe that figure is so low..:( No wonder companies can and do walk all over employees nowadays, always been in the union and always will.
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Any wonder we have a race to the bottom going on ,
without unions this is what happens.
Some person sitting at home on a computer isolated from other workers isn't in any position to stand up to anybody.
Same with zero hours they are never there long enough to organise.
Unions do have there faults, but I would sooner be in one that not
 
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