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[woomy]

Like I said, I have no idea, other than a pay rise, what the strike is actually about. What rights are being massively reduced? Cos thats not good if so.

But the wider point I struggle with is why Labour MPs have to, automatically, support every single strike. Other than ancient history.

Because the unions help fund Labour. Also you would have to ask, what's the point of labour, if they are not for the work force? What do they stand for?

 

[roydo]

Because the unions help fund Labour. Also you would have to ask, what's the point of labour, if they are not for the work force? What do they stand for?

I know they do. Does that mean everything the unions do is automatically good? Or do Labour have to prostitute themselves to anything the unions decide?

As to the point of Labour, their existence has been an unmitigated success in terms of workers rights now, and what they were back in the day. But harking back to that relationship in 2022 is just not enough to mean every strike should be supported. I despair, cos I want an oppo to the shambles we have in power, but every time the roots of the party are dug up as justification for stuff, I kinda wish you (the actual party members), look a bit wider at who you need to attract.

But thats your issue, not mine.

Still waiting for the massive reduction in workers rights btw. Not being a tit, seriously interested what the rail companies want to do with them.

 

[Tin-Tin]

Like I said, I have no idea, other than a pay rise, what the strike is actually about. What rights are being massively reduced? Cos thats not good if so.

But the wider point I struggle with is why Labour MPs have to, automatically, support every single strike. Other than ancient history.

Nobody is saying they have to. But they also should never be instructed not to join the picket line

 

[roydo]

Nobody is saying they have to. But they also should never be instructed not to join the picket line

Yeah, cant disagree with that tbf. Politics should be about conscience as much as anything. If one felt strongly enough about the injustice to the rail staff, they should not be punished, or instructed not to support a picket. Not by the party anyrate.

 

[grandjoeblue]

Like I said, I have no idea, other than a pay rise, what the strike is actually about. What rights are being massively reduced? Cos thats not good if so.

But the wider point I struggle with is why Labour MPs have to, automatically, support every single strike. Other than ancient history.

This article provides a great explanation:

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[roydo]

This article provides a great explanation:

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Thanks. That was interesting. Re the job losses issue, didnt the rail companies get a massive take up of voluntary redundancy requests when they issued the terms?

 

[grandjoeblue]

Thanks. That was interesting. Re the job losses issue, didnt the rail companies get a massive take up of voluntary redundancy requests when they issued the terms?

Not really sure but 90% supported the strike so I'm guessing the majority aren't happy.

 

[roydo]

Not really sure but 90% supported the strike so I'm guessing the majority aren't happy.

I am merely an interested observer. Havnt used a train for years, and cant see that changing anytime soon. But 90% shows sommet aint right.

 

[ChesterBlue]

One of the cruxes of this strike is the damage that the Tory privatisation has inflicted on the country’s services and architecture. The corporations running everything for their shareholders profits and massive executive salaries has been exasperating the spiralling Cost of living prices by keeping workers wages down while also inflating prices nigh on across the board

 

[edge]

I know they do. Does that mean everything the unions do is automatically good? Or do Labour have to prostitute themselves to anything the unions decide?

As to the point of Labour, their existence has been an unmitigated success in terms of workers rights now, and what they were back in the day. But harking back to that relationship in 2022 is just not enough to mean every strike should be supported. I despair, cos I want an oppo to the shambles we have in power, but every time the roots of the party are dug up as justification for stuff, I kinda wish you (the actual party members), look a bit wider at who you need to attract.

But thats your issue, not mine.

Still waiting for the massive reduction in workers rights btw. Not being a tit, seriously interested what the rail companies want to do with them.

Pop over to the rail strike thread I have put what they want to do to them..

 

[edge]

Thanks. That was interesting. Re the job losses issue, didnt the rail companies get a massive take up of voluntary redundancy requests when they issued the terms?

Yes they did then they pulled the sceme, only managers got it no ordinary worker.
If thet offer something like £ 25,000 to £30.000 they will have que a mile long.
The last offer was £17,500 for everyone one year or 40.

 

[tsubaki]

One of the cruxes of this strike is the damage that the Tory privatisation has inflicted on the country’s services and architecture. The corporations running everything for their shareholders profits and massive executive salaries has been exasperating the spiralling Cost of living prices by keeping workers wages down while also inflating prices nigh on across the board

Indeed, but its not just Tory privatization that is doing that - New Labour's PFI was possibly even more ruinous in terms of the damage to the state (in terms of the corruption it embedded in the system). TBF also it isn't really about shareholder profits any more either - its more for the execs, politicians and the Big Four accountancy firms.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I know they do. Does that mean everything the unions do is automatically good? Or do Labour have to prostitute themselves to anything the unions decide?

As to the point of Labour, their existence has been an unmitigated success in terms of workers rights now, and what they were back in the day. But harking back to that relationship in 2022 is just not enough to mean every strike should be supported. I despair, cos I want an oppo to the shambles we have in power, but every time the roots of the party are dug up as justification for stuff, I kinda wish you (the actual party members), look a bit wider at who you need to attract.

But thats your issue, not mine.

Still waiting for the massive reduction in workers rights btw. Not being a tit, seriously interested what the rail companies want to do with them.

Only affiliated ones contribute to Labour which RMT or Criminal barristers are not.

Affiliated Unions – The Labour Party

Explore the different trade unions affiliated to the Labour Party.

labour.org.uk

Incidentally RMT were the biggest Brexit supporting Union,

RMT sets out six key reasons for leaving the EU

www.rmt.org.uk

Labour have problem when its Unite or Unison or other front line health and social care affiliated Union are on the picket, but then so do the Conservatives, pots and pans at 8pm on a Thursday wont cut it this time.

Because the unions help fund Labour. Also you would have to ask, what's the point of labour, if they are not for the work force? What do they stand for?

For some unknown reason, lots of people seem to want Starmer to walk willingly into Johnson's obvious traps even though he doesn't need to...I dont see any point in Starmer behaving in a similar manner as the previous Labour leader.

I don't think this is a valid stick to beat Starmer with this at this conjecture. However, gloves will need to come off, but closer to election time and myself would hope the process begins Party Conference time. Right now let the Tories keep on burying themselves, give them no ammunition to shoot back with.

 

[wainy]

Only affiliated ones contribute to Labour which RMT or Criminal barristers are not.

Affiliated Unions – The Labour Party

Explore the different trade unions affiliated to the Labour Party.

labour.org.uk

Labour have problem when its Unite or Unison or other front line health and social care affiliated Union are on the picket, but then so do the Conservatives, pots and pans at 8pm on a Thursday wont cut it this time.





For some unknown reason, lots of people seem to want Starmer to walk willingly into Johnson's obvious traps even though he doesn't need to...I dont see any point in Starmer behaving in a similar manner as the previous Labour leader.

I don't think this is a valid stick to beat Starmer with this at this conjecture. However, gloves will need to come off, but closer to election time and myself would hope the process begins Party Conference time. Right now let the Tories keep on burying themselves, give them no ammunition to shoot back with.

I’d love to believe this but feel Starmer is so incompetent that they would still win the next GE. He’s a Tory with a red tie.

 

[edge]

Only affiliated ones contribute to Labour which RMT or Criminal barristers are not.

Affiliated Unions – The Labour Party

Explore the different trade unions affiliated to the Labour Party.

labour.org.uk

Incidentally RMT were the biggest Brexit supporting Union,

RMT sets out six key reasons for leaving the EU

www.rmt.org.uk

Labour have problem when its Unite or Unison or other front line health and social care affiliated Union are on the picket, but then so do the Conservatives, pots and pans at 8pm on a Thursday wont cut it this time.





For some unknown reason, lots of people seem to want Starmer to walk willingly into Johnson's obvious traps even though he doesn't need to...I dont see any point in Starmer behaving in a similar manner as the previous Labour leader.

I don't think this is a valid stick to beat Starmer with this at this conjecture. However, gloves will need to come off, but closer to election time and myself would hope the process begins Party Conference time. Right now let the Tories keep on burying themselves, give them no ammunition to shoot back with.

Good post that mate Totally agree Starmer dosnt need to jump to the tories drum.
He has nothing to gain , it's not labour's mess it's there's let them own it.