The Kenwright Generations

[blue61]

His worst thing wasn’t investing in Everton and holding onto his train set the real damage he has caused is to generations of Evertonian to have zero ambition and be scared of their own shadows.

I have seen these three phrases appear on this forum.

“It could be worse we could be…”

“Be careful what you wish for”

“Another season of stability will do”

Anyone familiar with Kenwrights body do work will be familiar we these phrases during his tenure especially during the original Moyes years.

He’s created a whole generation of losers and he’s even impacted generations who have seen Everton on top of the world.

If Spurs motto is to dare it to do ours should be never dare and never do.

Be better, demand more and forget Kenwright.

Absolutely spot on mate. Large swathes of our fan base have been brainwashed to accept mediocrity.

 

[MACCA75]

The media are quite happy for us to be pigeon holed as top half team or lower .
Liverpool finish 5th a year after winning the league and the media are all in on forcing Slott out.
Moyes is no threat to the status quo never going to mix it with the big boys.

They have a different level of expectation though don’t they.
And that’s based on spending hundreds of millions more than we can, because they have a vastly bigger revenue.

The media don’t pigeon hole us as a mid table team - that’s what we actually are right now.

 

[paultheblue]

They have a different level of expectation though don’t they.
And that’s based on spending hundreds of millions more than we can, because they have a vastly bigger revenue.

The media don’t pigeon hole us as a mid table team - that’s what we actually are right now.

That hasn't always been the case though, I went to my first match in 1963 a few months after we won the league we were the bigger club in the City.

 

[windymiller]

The context of the debate is around expectation management.

My input was...

After Moyes, Kenwright talked up Champions League without prompt, and titles just as Moshiri come in.

After Everton, Moyes continued to downplayed expectations at every club - from title winning Man Utd, to a team who'd spent a decade in the top flight being told it would be a miracle if they survived.

He's come back now and after we beat Chelsea in March, he did a round of media talking up how unbelievable it is for Everton to even be in contention of the Conference League, and the other day saying it's a miracle Everton were ever in contention. Really? We can discuss whether it's true or not, but is that the public perception we want? Moyes said he cant get the players he wants because they want Europe, is it a harder sell this summer if our manager is saying it's a miracle we got a sniff of Europe.

It puts us in our place, but heightens the managers PR. Kenwright no doubt did the same - but for me, it's almost impossible to talk expectation management under Kenwright and not also mention Moyes.

It wasn't just the Chairman who set the tone being the point.

I know. I was being a little bit flippant in an attempt to be funny. You're right, though, an ambitious manager can push those above him to be more ambitious too. Moyes isn't that, he's a company man, doesn't rock the boat, doesn't push the higher ups. It's a good way to stay in a job but it crushes the life out of a football club and that attitude starts to bleed into the fan base too.

 

[pfim]

I'll rephrase that last comment: "They're not what I recognise as Evertonans".

davek: judge, trial, jury.

 

[pfim]

I'm hoping for more weekday matches next season, just so that some of you retain your sanity.

 

[windymiller]

davek: judge, trial, jury.

Executioner?

 

[Magus]

Based on what I have seen to date, Kenwright's model has been willingly embraced by our new owners. Put just enough in to keep us ticking over in the league and hope for a little cup run to keep the fans on board.

Moyes is the pragmatic choice to keep us up with a little to spare, but doesn't share the ambition of most Evertonians, and our recent recruitment has been very hit and miss.

I don't think we will push on until he is replaced. I am not wholly convinced by the options currently available, but we will never know unless we show some ambition.

 

[pfim]

Executioner?

Messed it up, but dave isn't executing anything other than a massive post count.

 

[st.domingo]

That hasn't always been the case though, I went to my first match in 1963 a few months after we won the league we were the bigger club in the City.

True enough.

I don't know the average age of journalists these days, but anyone under 39 wasn't even alive for our last title.

 

[davids]

The fans aren’t responsible for whether Everton football club ltd are successful or not. So their thoughts are completely irrelevant.

Apparently we are to blame for not organising an armed insurrection,who knew.

 

[davids]

That hasn't always been the case though, I went to my first match in 1963 a few months after we won the league we were the bigger club in the City.

We were,the Mersey Millionaires. Maybe we should blame Moores for spawning Kopites,but then he was an LFC shareholder anyway.

 

[Swartzy]

I'll rephrase that last comment: "They're not what I recognise as Evertonans".

If only your mirror could speak

 

[Joey66]

We were,the Mersey Millionaires. Maybe we should blame Moores for spawning Kopites,but then he was an LFC shareholder anyway.

Moores was always a LFC shareholder it was allowed back then - He was , but only in a very small capacity - he always favored EFC - BK was a disaster - stopped AGMS - blunder after blunder to long to list - but made sure he got all his shares paid back in the end -

He & Mosh dealing offshore nearly bankrupted us - narrowing the field of buyers to one - we were lucky to survive the new ground saved us & look at the transport problems his last job was to be in control of BMD - says it all -

His errors of the Kings Dock ground for 30 million outside investment was the killer IMO ....

 

[davids]

Moores was always a LFC shareholder it was allowed back then - He was , but only in a very small capacity - he always favored EFC - BK was a disaster - stopped AGMS - blunder after blunder to long to list - but made sure he got all his shares paid back in the end -

He & Mosh dealing offshore nearly bankrupted us - narrowing the field of buyers to one - we were lucky to survive the new ground saved us & look at the transport problems his last job was to be in control of BMD - says it all -

His errors of the Kings Dock ground for 30 million outside investment was the killer IMO ....

Not that small Joey his shareholdering allowed his poisonous nephew to take control of them.