Current Affairs The 'incel movement'

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Tubey said:
That's not bias, that's reality - 97% of domestic abuse cases are men towards women. Is what it is. So for the pendulum to be "in the centre", it has to acknowledge the reality of the situation. Yes, it's crap that it's harder for male victims to be heard, but no system is perfect and one that caters to the 97% is obviously going to be the aim.
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97% of reported victims. Only one instance would count as reported in my case. There's a story behind that. I don't believe those statistics as a consequence. Neither should you. Why would a domestic abuse victim that was treated as poorly as I was by the police officer I talked to after the first incident ever go back to the police? He refused to file a report unless I told him to go put her in cuffs. That would have caused some problems, not the least of which was that there were no witnesses to that particular incident.

I did what the officer said to do the next time something like that happened. I got injustice in reply. Calling the police in these cases flat out is not rational for men. I have the personal experiences that prove that one.

If you want to claim that the plurality of domestic violence cases are perpetrated by men against women, I'll buy that. Those statistics also suggest to me that there are a lot of gay men out there that aren't talking either.

I mean, you probably don't believe that African-American people are more prone to commit crimes than white men. You probably believe that the reason African-American men are statistically more likely to have records is because they are more likely to get prosecuted. If you treated those statistics the same way you're treating the domestic abuse statistics, you would conclude that African-American men are more likely to commit crimes than white men are.

Tubey said:
"Feminism" didn't "create the present problem". Women being societally oppressed since time began did. It's not being a soy boy or creating a "problem" to simply acknowledge that society is masculine. Does that mean it should be ripped up and done over to have society feminine instead? No.

You said the female equivalent of an incel - a person who loathes women - is a feminist. Here is your exact words.



You are therefore equating feminism and misandry as one and the same. You are wrong; flat out, 100% wrong, yet you feel you're a victim and being "silenced" for simply being told you're wrong when you are indeed wrong.
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I explained what I meant in some detail. I meant exactly that the whole time. This required some unpacking. You're trying to twist my words into something they are not. I am categorically not responsible for your choice not to comprehend the full story. That, sir, is a choice.

The fact that I married a self-avowed feminist flat out does not jive with your story. The fact that I love my mother, who is also a self-avowed feminist, doesn't fit your story either. Obviously, I don't think that all feminists are misandrists despite what happened. My mother constitutes an existence proof on that. I obviously didn't think what you're trying to claim I thought when I got married, as I wouldn't have married the woman if I thought I was going to get abused, now would I? I picked the words I used precisely because there was a double meaning. You took it one way, and got ticked off. I didn't mean it that way, but you're refusing to recognize that the statement can have multiple meanings in the English language.

The point of what I said that you quoted is precisely this: our society makes it very hard to distinguish between a misandrist and a feminist, because the stories of misandry are disbelieved. As a result, these people get away with calling themselves feminists, and damage the feminist movement in the process.

To put it another way, we don't have a female word for 'incel' because the media does not report the type of problem I am discussing. We have the word 'misandrist', but when was the last time you actually heard that word used outside of this discussion?

verreauxi said:
Who woulda this thunk this topic gets derailed by laboriously pedantic tendentiousness?
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Talking about the fact that some men have legitimate reasons to be angry with women, society and the legal system is somehow not germane to the topic of incels? I'll be direct: I wouldn't treat you that way if you told me a very real and personal story like this. I think you ought to think about that one a little bit.
 
Martin Alvito said:
Talking about the fact that some men have legitimate reasons to be angry with women, society and the legal system is somehow not germane to the topic of incels? I'll be direct: I wouldn't treat you that way if you told me a very real and personal story like this. I think you ought to think about that one a little bit
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Best of luck to you.
 
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