Current Affairs The 'incel movement'

[Death]

Defo getting more incelly by the post.

Shots fired at P-rev

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Shots fired at P-rev

Ohhhhh, you bad bad man

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

97% of reported victims. Only one instance would count as reported in my case. There's a story behind that. I don't believe those statistics as a consequence. Neither should you. Why would a domestic abuse victim that was treated as poorly as I was by the police officer I talked to after the first incident ever go back to the police? He refused to file a report unless I told him to go put her in cuffs. That would have caused some problems, not the least of which was that there were no witnesses to that particular incident.

I did what the officer said to do the next time something like that happened. I got injustice in reply. Calling the police in these cases flat out is not rational for men. I have the personal experiences that prove that one.

If you want to claim that the plurality of domestic violence cases are perpetrated by men against women, I'll buy that. Those statistics also suggest to me that there are a lot of gay men out there that aren't talking either.

I mean, you probably don't believe that African-American people are more prone to commit crimes than white men. You probably believe that the reason African-American men are statistically more likely to have records is because they are more likely to get prosecuted. If you treated those statistics the same way you're treating the domestic abuse statistics, you would conclude that African-American men are more likely to commit crimes than white men are.



I explained what I meant in some detail. I meant exactly that the whole time. This required some unpacking. You're trying to twist my words into something they are not. I am categorically not responsible for your choice not to comprehend the full story. That, sir, is a choice.

The fact that I married a self-avowed feminist flat out does not jive with your story. The fact that I love my mother, who is also a self-avowed feminist, doesn't fit your story either. Obviously, I don't think that all feminists are misandrists despite what happened. My mother constitutes an existence proof on that. I obviously didn't think what you're trying to claim I thought when I got married, as I wouldn't have married the woman if I thought I was going to get abused, now would I? I picked the words I used precisely because there was a double meaning. You took it one way, and got ticked off. I didn't mean it that way, but you're refusing to recognize that the statement can have multiple meanings in the English language.

The point of what I said that you quoted is precisely this: our society makes it very hard to distinguish between a misandrist and a feminist, because the stories of misandry are disbelieved. As a result, these people get away with calling themselves feminists, and damage the feminist movement in the process.

To put it another way, we don't have a female word for 'incel' because the media does not report the type of problem I am discussing. We have the word 'misandrist', but when was the last time you actually heard that word used outside of this discussion?



Talking about the fact that some men have legitimate reasons to be angry with women, society and the legal system is somehow not germane to the topic of incels? I'll be direct: I wouldn't treat you that way if you told me a very real and personal story like this. I think you ought to think about that one a little bit.

That's a verrrrry long way of saying I don't hate women, not all feminists are bad, dva is a complex issue oft under-reported, and statistics van be distorting based on what is recorded.

Hey GOT, if you waive my forum supporters fees I'll provide a condensing/translation service.

 

[Prevenger17]

Shots fired at P-rev

@Daveysgingerlovechild is going into my book of enemies, alongside the names of all the women who have wronged me

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

@Daveysgingerlovechild is going into my book of enemies, alongside the names of all the women who have wronged me

Me and ma sistahood

 

[Death]

@Daveysgingerlovechild is going into my book of enemies, alongside the names of all the women who have wronged me

I know you're a handsom lad with a wife. But give LoveChild a break. He sees you getting over a cat bite on the foot from sleeping with one of your cats by logging into an Internet forum at 3am. He's going to lead to conclusions.

... jumping to conclusions, hhhmm. Actually I take it back. @Daveysgingerlovechild stop jumping to conclusions, what are you? A women?

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

I know you're a handsom lad with a wife. But give LoveChild a break. He sees you getting over a cat bite on the foot from sleeping with one of your cats by logging into an Internet forum at 3am. He's going to lead to conclusions.

... jumping to conclusions, hhhmm. Actually I take it back. @Daveysgingerlovechild stop jumping to conclusions, what are you? A women?

I'll have you know my pronouns are "thing / it"

 

[JimmyJeffers]

Morning everyone!

 

[Martin Alvito]

What legitimate reasons are there for being angry at some 3.8 billion people?

Angry at women, plural, does not necessarily imply being angry at all women. You brought that one to the table. I'm saying that stuff like this happens to some men, and that those men tend to become angry with the women that do this stuff. The natural response to injustice is anger. I'm just pointing out injustices that our society obscures and our legal system denies.

That's a verrrrry long way of saying I don't hate women, not all feminists are bad, dva is a complex issue oft under-reported, and statistics van be distorting based on what is recorded.

Hey GOT, if you waive my forum supporters fees I'll provide a condensing/translation service.

The scientists that trained me taught me to explain stuff and back up those explanations. The math teachers (both genders) along the way got fussy when I skipped steps. If I said those things you said, those scientists that trained me would tell me to back up what I said and that they weren't believing me until I did.

Since a fair number of people don't seem to believe me on this, you get me backing up what I say.

... jumping to conclusions, hhhmm. Actually I take it back. @Daveysgingerlovechild stop jumping to conclusions, what are you? A women?

Uncalled for and particularly unhelpful, given context. It just reinforces the prejudices of the folks on the other side of the fence, which they developed from hearing statements like this.

Morning everyone!

Good morning. It's very late here, or very early depending on how you count such things. My work schedule can be interesting.

 

[Death]

Angry at women, plural, does not necessarily imply being angry at all women. You brought that one to the table. I'm saying that stuff like this happens to some men, and that those men tend to become angry with the women that do this stuff. The natural response to injustice is anger. I'm just pointing out injustices that our society obscures and our legal system denies.



The scientists that trained me taught me to explain stuff and back up those explanations. The math teachers (both genders) along the way got fussy when I skipped steps. If I said those things you said, those scientists that trained me would tell me to back up what I said and that they weren't believing me until I did.

Since a fair number of people don't seem to believe me on this, you get me backing up what I say.



Uncalled for and particularly unhelpful, given context. It just reinforces the prejudices of the folks on the other side of the fence, which they developed from hearing statements like this.

Sorry Martin. You lead the way. These are a bit uneducated. They have dragged me down to thier level. You're absolutely right.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Angry at women, plural, does not necessarily imply being angry at all women. You brought that one to the table. I'm saying that stuff like this happens to some men, and that those men tend to become angry with the women that do this stuff. The natural response to injustice is anger. I'm just pointing out injustices that our society obscures and our legal system denies.



The scientists that trained me taught me to explain stuff and back up those explanations. The math teachers (both genders) along the way got fussy when I skipped steps. If I said those things you said, those scientists that trained me would tell me to back up what I said and that they weren't believing me until I did.

Since a fair number of people don't seem to believe me on this, you get me backing up what I say.



Uncalled for and particularly unhelpful, given context. It just reinforces the prejudices of the folks on the other side of the fence, which they developed from hearing statements like this.



Good morning. It's very late here, or very early depending on how you count such things. My work schedule can be interesting.

Tbf you've started an argument here.

Plus, I'd guess loads on here have been trained similarly too. The prof. who trained me taught me to get to the point.

 

[Sagat]

A sick society creates sick individuals. Expect more of this kind of thing.

 

[Lord Buckethead]

Posting incessantly in the Transfer and Wresting threads does not necessarily make you an 'Incel' or a 'Terrorist', but as @chicoazul would say, they are very good indicators.

 

[Blue 1]

The goal of incel culture isn't really about getting a girlfriend or even getting laid. It's about power. It's not partnership they're after or mutual closeness. They're angry because they perceive themselves as losers on the sexual market, which carries with it the stigma of lower social status. They resent the so-called "Chads" who are, in their toxic fiction, the 20% of men that 80% of women supposedly want; that they're somehow "hoarding" all the women they want (the "Stacies" who are their conventionally beautiful coveted women of choice). They want the status that having sex with Stacies will supposedly afford them, and feel it's their right to have it. All based on utter bollocks, of course, but rarely does ideology need science to back it up...

 

[Sagat]

The goal of incel culture isn't really about getting a girlfriend or even getting laid. It's about power. It's not partnership they're after or mutual closeness. They're angry because they perceive themselves as losers on the sexual market, which carries with it the stigma of lower social status. They resent the so-called "Chads" who are, in their toxic fiction, the 20% of men that 80% of women supposedly want; that they're somehow "hoarding" all the women they want (the "Stacies" who are their conventionally beautiful coveted women of choice). They want the status that having sex with Stacies will supposedly afford them, and feel it's their right to have it. All based on utter bollocks, of course, but rarely does ideology need science to back it up...

The 80/20 thing is a Tinder stat iirc. Of course basing your entire dating philosophy on Tinder isn't exactly healthy. I do blame Tinder, and other dating apps, a bit though. It genuinely has created a toxic environment for dating. It's made hook up culture even worse and if people are using it regularly there is no doubt it is damaging the ability to form long lasting relationships because it is so easy to find a replacement.

I do knock about on some of these anonymous boards from time to time. There's a lot that people don't really understand or get flat out wrong about these groups. There are a lot of young lads who are slipping through the cracks of society and absolutely nobody is picking them up. You cannot be surprised when they end up getting radicalised online. It's a failure of society really but most people aren't prepared to look at themselves in the mirror like that because they're doing just fine.

If you want to go down the rabbit hole it's all related in little ways. If you really want to tackle incel groups seriously you're also going to come across all the other nasty groups that look to capture disenfranchised young white men. White supremacists, neo nazis, anarco-communists, the whole shebang. They're all there, hiding under your nose.