Current Affairs The 'incel movement'

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JimmyJeffers said:
I’m not getting dragged in to another debate of men telling women how they should feel and behave so this is all I’ll say on the subject.
You equated feminism (a movement that has historically sought to highlight and overthrow a patriarchal and unjust society) to incels (a movement that largely appears to hate themselves and women and pretty much everything else)
You’ve had a bit of a mare here, that largely seems to stem from an unhealthy hatred of your ex.
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If telling the truth is a mare, then it's a mare.

What I am saying is that the movement of feminism harbors some people with exactly the same hatred of men, and pretty much everything else. It's not just my ex. I don't hate my ex. I pity her. I am angry about the injustices that the legal system perpetrates on both sides of the fence.

I'm not telling women how they should feel. I'm telling them that, if they want to get the results they want, they need to act differently than they currently are acting. There's an enormous difference between the two statements. I am entitled to tell someone that their actions result in injustice. I am not disallowed from telling a woman that because I am a man. It is not 'mansplaining'. It's just the truth.

To be direct, feminism is creating injustices in the legal system out of women's fear of men. Some of those fears are justified, as you and others have pointed out from what the media reports on. It doesn't follow that we should create those injustices, because they will inevitably lead to a backlash. Those injustices create people like me that feel the way we do about the feminist movement.

Feminism also creates terms like 'mansplaining' that enable the worst of women to scoff at the truths men have to tell, rather than just the ones that deserve to be scoffed at. That one's going to come back to bite them as well.

Daveysgingerlovechild said:
Ohhhh Martin. Feminist thought has a long, complex and multifaceted history. Radical Feminists did indeed seek to live a life free of men. However most want equality and opportunity.

For a guy who likes to try and avoid priors and employ critical thinking, that's quite loaded stuff.
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That's not a prior. The empirical evidence provided the existence proof to me beyond any shadow of a doubt, by way of the weak axiom of revealed preference. I'm not saying that all feminists are like that, or even that most of them are. I'm saying that the ones that are like that are out there.

I agree that it is very loaded stuff. I'm not afraid to say it.
 
Martin Alvito said:
If telling the truth is a mare, then it's a mare.

What I am saying is that the movement of feminism harbors some people with exactly the same hatred of men, and pretty much everything else. It's not just my ex. I don't hate my ex. I pity her. I am angry about the injustices that the legal system perpetrates on both sides of the fence.

I'm not telling women how they should feel. I'm telling them that, if they want to get the results they want, they need to act differently than they currently are acting. There's an enormous difference between the two statements. I am entitled to tell someone that their actions result in injustice. I am not disallowed from telling a woman that because I am a man. It is not 'mansplaining'. It's just the truth.

To be direct, feminism is creating injustices in the legal system out of women's fear of men. Some of those fears are justified, as you and others have pointed out from what the media reports on. It doesn't follow that we should create those injustices, because they will inevitably lead to a backlash. Those injustices create people like me that feel the way we do about the feminist movement.

Feminism also creates terms like 'mansplaining' that enable the worst of women to scoff at the truths men have to tell, rather than just the ones that deserve to be scoffed at. That one's going to come back to bite them as well.



That's not a prior. The empirical evidence provided the existence proof to me beyond any shadow of a doubt, by way of the weak axiom of revealed preference.

I agree that it is very loaded stuff. I'm not afraid to say it.
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What was your empirical evidence again? Autoethonographic research in the sphere of divorce?

I mean, epistemologically a standpoint of all knowledge being equal is fine, but I'd call that a prior here!
 
Daveysgingerlovechild said:
What was your empirical evidence again? Autoethonographic research in the sphere of divorce?

I mean, epistemologically a standpoint of all knowledge being equal is fine, but I'd call that a prior here!
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Getting hit. More than once, on more than one occasion. The woman in question hates men and believes that they are to be subjugated. I backed that one out from her statements, her actions and her own trauma.
 
Martin Alvito said:
Getting hit. More than once, on more than one occasion. The woman in question hates men and believes that they are to be subjugated. I backed that one out from her statements, her actions and her own trauma.
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That's fair enough and a clear case of DVA. However you can't extrapolate out that all feminists are man beaters.

Sorry to hear about your experience.
 
Martin Alvito said:
If telling the truth is a mare, then it's a mare.

What I am saying is that the movement of feminism harbors some people with exactly the same hatred of men, and pretty much everything else. It's not just my ex. I don't hate my ex. I pity her. I am angry about the injustices that the legal system perpetrates on both sides of the fence.

I'm not telling women how they should feel. I'm telling them that, if they want to get the results they want, they need to act differently than they currently are acting. There's an enormous difference between the two statements. I am entitled to tell someone that their actions result in injustice. I am not disallowed from telling a woman that because I am a man. It is not 'mansplaining'. It's just the truth.

To be direct, feminism is creating injustices in the legal system out of women's fear of men. Some of those fears are justified, as you and others have pointed out from what the media reports on. It doesn't follow that we should create those injustices, because they will inevitably lead to a backlash. Those injustices create people like me that feel the way we do about the feminist movement.

Feminism also creates terms like 'mansplaining' that enable the worst of women to scoff at the truths men have to tell, rather than just the ones that deserve to be scoffed at. That one's going to come back to bite them as well.



That's not a prior. The empirical evidence provided the existence proof to me beyond any shadow of a doubt, by way of the weak axiom of revealed preference. I'm not saying that all feminists are like that, or even that most of them are. I'm saying that the ones that are like that are out there.

I agree that it is very loaded stuff. I'm not afraid to say it.
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Bloody hell. Are you a first year undergrad studying sociology?
 
Martin Alvito said:
The worst of them. Most of them are not like that. As I said, it's a spectrum
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FFS.

Then find another word since "most of them are not like that"

All incels are "like that" as that is what being an incel means.


An incel (/ˈɪnsɛl/ IN-sel, an abbreviation of "involuntary celibate"[1]) is a member of an online subculture of people who define themselves as unable to get a romantic or sexual partner despite desiring one.[2][3][4] Discussions in incel forums are often characterized by resentment and hatred, misogyny, misanthropy, self-pity and self-loathing, racism, a sense of entitlement to sex, and the endorsement of violence against women and sexually active people.[16] The American nonprofit Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) described the subculture as "part of the online male supremacist ecosystem" that is included in their list of hate groups

You've equated feminists with an actual hate group that is considered a terrorism threat!
 
Martin Alvito said:
If telling the truth is a mare, then it's a mare.

What I am saying is that the movement of feminism harbors some people with exactly the same hatred of men, and pretty much everything else. It's not just my ex. I don't hate my ex. I pity her. I am angry about the injustices that the legal system perpetrates on both sides of the fence.

I'm not telling women how they should feel. I'm telling them that, if they want to get the results they want, they need to act differently than they currently are acting. There's an enormous difference between the two statements. I am entitled to tell someone that their actions result in injustice. I am not disallowed from telling a woman that because I am a man. It is not 'mansplaining'. It's just the truth.

To be direct, feminism is creating injustices in the legal system out of women's fear of men. Some of those fears are justified, as you and others have pointed out from what the media reports on. It doesn't follow that we should create those injustices, because they will inevitably lead to a backlash. Those injustices create people like me that feel the way we do about the feminist movement.

Feminism also creates terms like 'mansplaining' that enable the worst of women to scoff at the truths men have to tell, rather than just the ones that deserve to be scoffed at. That one's going to come back to bite them as well.



That's not a prior. The empirical evidence provided the existence proof to me beyond any shadow of a doubt, by way of the weak axiom of revealed preference. I'm not saying that all feminists are like that, or even that most of them are. I'm saying that the ones that are like that are out there.

I agree that it is very loaded stuff. I'm not afraid to say it.
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Holy moly
 
Paris said:
@RAFUH I fear you’re being trolled. Get yourself back in the kitchen and take a breather.
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But, but....I'm feeling the need to go all radical nuclear level feminist.
Goes against the manual to do that whilst in the kitchen.

What you doing in here anyway? Not that I like to label folks, but you're like... antithetical incel*

*and I say that with admiration
 
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RAFUH said:
But, but....I'm feeling the need to go all radical nuclear level feminist.
Goes against the manual to do that whilst in the kitchen.

What you doing in here anyway? Not that I like to label folks, but you're like... antithetical incel
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?

I have a huge interest in international politics and stuff and all I see in terrorist groups like ISIS and the Taliban is a load of incels.
 
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