Current Affairs The 'incel movement'

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Lol, you are talking nonsense if you think “anyone” can go to a nightclub and pull. Likewise, have you ever actually used tinder? All the data shows it is a massive sausage fest and is very, very difficult for the average man. Approaching strangers in public is also not very socially acceptable anymore, so that’s another avenue for people closed off. Also brasses do not solve the issue of actually being wanted/desired by someone. It’s a notion that in theory works- you get your end away and release some frustration. Then comes the post nut clarity and you realise you had to spend actual money to get a woman to fake interest in you.

I think we need to be conscious of the fact there are real issues in modern society when it comes to dating and relationships, whilst also acknowledging these issues do not give anyone the right to resort to misogyny, hatred etc. But it’s naive, as I’ve seen people in this thread do, to think that it’s all about someone’s “personality”. It’s where the memes of “just get a shower bro, just get a haircut bro, just go to the gym bro” come from. As if it’s that straight forward. It comes from a place of solipsism- they have had success with women/have a partner and therefore cannot understand why other people cannot accomplish this.
I don't think anyone on here has suggested folk go to the gym or get a shower.

What people have suggested is that by being overtly aggressive and unpleasant is a turn off, thus only entrenching the position of being an unlovable sexless whopper. Sure, it can be frustrating and upsetting to be knocked back, but you ain't gonna find the good people out there who may actually help you live a fulfilled life by acting the tit, right?

I mean, these guys seem to rail against those they desire not wanting them. Unrequited love / lust chaps, its a harsh life lesson. It happens to the best of us. You can mature and grow from it, or turn a bit weird.
 
It’s great Simon. Don’t listen to them
One is quite a funny story tbh, a female colleague I work with met up with some guy who basically turned up dressed in his Southern Rail uniform having come straight from work, not just that but he was one of these guys who had train spotter type badges all down one side of his waistcoat. Sadly I can't repeat the other story on here.
 
One is quite a funny story tbh, a female colleague I work with met up with some guy who basically turned up dressed in his Southern Rail uniform having come straight from work, not just that but he was one of these guys who had train spotter type badges all down one side of his waistcoat. Sadly I can't repeat the other story on here.
Utter winner for her. He was clearly a legend
 
I think you’ve misread a lot here. The point was not that anyone can go to a nightclub and pull, or that Tinder is great, or that brasses are a sensible use of anyone’s money - it’s that these things (and many others) exist, and that complaining about involuntarily celibacy when you don’t even attempt to avail yourself of / attempt such things kind of reveals that the issue might be with you.

My issue with what you wrote is that you seemed to be presupposing that people who identify as incels “don’t try”. Or that’s how I interpreted it (if incorrect I apologise) and I don’t fully agree with this. Obviously there are people who fall into what you describe- a vicious cycle of self pity and then outward misogyny and hatred, all without actually trying to do anything about it. I’ve got a friend like this- complains about his lack of dating life but never really goes out and socialises or puts himself in situations where he could meet someone.

But I also think we need to be aware of the fact that there are people who do try and fail and also there are probably thousands of people in the population (mostly men) who are actually the definition of “incel” but aren’t weird enough to peruse Internet forums and label themselves as one- they simply don’t even know the word exists. They just have bad luck with women/are weird but each week they’re out in the clubs and everyday they’re swiping on tinder. But that doesn’t mean they will get any success.
 
I don't think anyone on here has suggested folk go to the gym or get a shower.

What people have suggested is that by being overtly aggressive and unpleasant is a turn off, thus only entrenching the position of being an unlovable sexless whopper. Sure, it can be frustrating and upsetting to be knocked back, but you ain't gonna find the good people out there who may actually help you live a fulfilled life by acting the tit, right?

I mean, these guys seem to rail against those they desire not wanting them. Unrequited love / lust chaps, its a harsh life lesson. It happens to the best of us. You can mature and grow from it, or turn a bit weird.

I agree with most of what you wrote. And I’m not sure how old you are so I don’t want to say you don’t understand, BUT, I think a lot of people don’t understand how much the “game” (for lack of a better term) has changed in regards to dating. It’s classic “don’t hate the player hate the game” territory we’re in- and that’s where I agree that self proclaimed incels are not helping themselves with misogyny and overt hatred of people who simply aren’t interested in them.

As to your last paragraph, I think we need to acknowledge that being sexless and perhaps a male virgin comes with a massive social stigma and that being unsuccessful women is laughed at in society which does contribute to the bad attitudes of self identified incels. Again, I am not trying to make excuses for people here who display downright hateful attitudes, but I do think their are larger issues at play that go beyond someone simply being an angry man venting online.
 
I agree with most of what you wrote. And I’m not sure how old you are so I don’t want to say you don’t understand, BUT, I think a lot of people don’t understand how much the “game” (for lack of a better term) has changed in regards to dating. It’s classic “don’t hate the player hate the game” territory we’re in- and that’s where I agree that self proclaimed incels are not helping themselves with misogyny and overt hatred of people who simply aren’t interested in them.

As to your last paragraph, I think we need to acknowledge that being sexless and perhaps a male virgin comes with a massive social stigma and that being unsuccessful women is laughed at in society which does contribute to the bad attitudes of self identified incels. Again, I am not trying to make excuses for people here who display downright hateful attitudes, but I do think their are larger issues at play that go beyond someone simply being an angry man venting online.
PM me and I can help with your tinder profile.
 
One is quite a funny story tbh, a female colleague I work with met up with some guy who basically turned up dressed in his Southern Rail uniform having come straight from work, not just that but he was one of these guys who had train spotter type badges all down one side of his waistcoat. Sadly I can't repeat the other story on here.
If that’s a ‘frightening’ story then I don’t see what the problem of tinder is. Aside from people being judgemental as hell.
 
I agree with most of what you wrote. And I’m not sure how old you are so I don’t want to say you don’t understand, BUT, I think a lot of people don’t understand how much the “game” (for lack of a better term) has changed in regards to dating. It’s classic “don’t hate the player hate the game” territory we’re in- and that’s where I agree that self proclaimed incels are not helping themselves with misogyny and overt hatred of people who simply aren’t interested in them.

As to your last paragraph, I think we need to acknowledge that being sexless and perhaps a male virgin comes with a massive social stigma and that being unsuccessful women is laughed at in society which does contribute to the bad attitudes of self identified incels. Again, I am not trying to make excuses for people here who display downright hateful attitudes, but I do think their are larger issues at play that go beyond someone simply being an angry man venting online.
Quite. Social norms and pressures do play a part fo sho.
 
I agree with most of what you wrote. And I’m not sure how old you are so I don’t want to say you don’t understand, BUT, I think a lot of people don’t understand how much the “game” (for lack of a better term) has changed in regards to dating. It’s classic “don’t hate the player hate the game” territory we’re in- and that’s where I agree that self proclaimed incels are not helping themselves with misogyny and overt hatred of people who simply aren’t interested in them.

As to your last paragraph, I think we need to acknowledge that being sexless and perhaps a male virgin comes with a massive social stigma and that being unsuccessful women is laughed at in society which does contribute to the bad attitudes of self identified incels. Again, I am not trying to make excuses for people here who display downright hateful attitudes, but I do think their are larger issues at play that go beyond someone simply being an angry man venting online.
I agree with your last paragraph. It’s toxic masculinity. That masculinity is somehow a function of sexual prowess, toughness, aggression and violence.

It’s patriarchy. And whilst women are overwhelmingly the target of that, it’s impacts everyone in some way. This is one of the ways it impacts men.
 
My issue with what you wrote is that you seemed to be presupposing that people who identify as incels “don’t try”. Or that’s how I interpreted it (if incorrect I apologise) and I don’t fully agree with this. Obviously there are people who fall into what you describe- a vicious cycle of self pity and then outward misogyny and hatred, all without actually trying to do anything about it. I’ve got a friend like this- complains about his lack of dating life but never really goes out and socialises or puts himself in situations where he could meet someone.

But I also think we need to be aware of the fact that there are people who do try and fail and also there are probably thousands of people in the population (mostly men) who are actually the definition of “incel” but aren’t weird enough to peruse Internet forums and label themselves as one- they simply don’t even know the word exists. They just have bad luck with women/are weird but each week they’re out in the clubs and everyday they’re swiping on tinder. But that doesn’t mean they will get any success.
This is what I think also. The vast majority of these men probably have had enough misery and loneliness to deal with without being labelled as potentially dangerous radicals as well.

Also agree that there must be a small but statistically significant minority that are incel. It means that there are surely such people in every community, trying to get on with their lives without threatening anyone. You can't spot an Incel but with some individuals that I have known in life, I'd wager they fall into this definition, whether they know about, care about it, or otherwise.

My opinion is that people for whom this is an issue should be encouraged to seek help. I do think that, at least for some people, relatively common broader issues like depression, anxiety, stress, low self-esteem and poor social skills, contribute to their plight. In an age where there seems to be a fix for almost everything, people should feel empowered to talk about it. However, it is no surprise they do not and will not. The whipping up of hysteria in relation to this (and I fully understand the awfulness of the recent event) is not justified.

The next step is to hound out the incel who lives next door, or the loner at work because you're uncomfortable about it, the "something will have to be done" attitude.
 
If that’s a ‘frightening’ story then I don’t see what the problem of tinder is. Aside from people being judgemental as hell.
No that's the funny side of it, as I mentioned I know of 2 other experiences people had that I can't repeat on here that really were frightening, put it this way, the Police were informed about one lady that a friend of mines brother hooked up.
 
No that's the funny side of it, as I mentioned I know of 2 other experiences people had that I can't repeat on here that really were frightening, put it this way, the Police were informed about one lady that a friend of mines brother hooked up.
Tbh I know, I was being a little facetious. And it’s not just tinder. I had a conversation with a female friend earlier this week and she told me the experience of two women she knew in the last month alone that were truly harrowing.
 
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