The glass ceiling....truth or fiction.

[bluemangroup]

Would Chelsea or Citeh have won the League in the last 10 years without the backing of their owners?

No, I dont think so either. .

But unfortunately mate, they have. They where bought at the right time and their fanbases have swollen enormously, further cementing their status as top dogs.
We can compete to a degree but we are unlikely to sustain a challenge to the super clubs for long without at least half of what theyve invested.

 

[allen]

Wigan ere strong favourites in all but two of those games. Our worst performance of the season and an off colour City. They needed a replay to beat Bournemouth. It wasn't exactly the plucky tale of the gallant underdog.

Swansea's only real challenge was Chelsea, who at the time were a car crash of a side under Benitez.

Watch and see this season, all 3 major trophies will be won by Chelsea, United, City or perhaps Arsenal or Spurs.

I'm sorry, but you're arguing black is white.

It is possible for us to win a cup. Full stop.

 

[roydo]

If they could have attracted mourinho, they could have done.

But would he have gone there without the money is the issue?

Answered your own question their mate! Not a chance he would have gone their at the time. They were not the basket case that Citeh were few years ago, and were a reasonably fashionable team, but remember the summer that Roman took over, and the cash they splashed around immediately? It was just ridiculous.

 

[Allezfan]

Wigan ere strong favourites in all but two of those games. Our worst performance of the season and an off colour City. They needed a replay to beat Bournemouth. It wasn't exactly the plucky tale of the gallant underdog.

Swansea's only real challenge was Chelsea, who at the time were a car crash of a side under Benitez.

Well exactly, that's kind of the point.

The format of cup competitions allows weaker teams to win trophies one the back of one or two good matches, which is why they can do it while struggling in the league.

That's why there isn't a glass ceiling on them.

 

[Timak]

It isn't a glass ceiling. It is made of 100% platinum.

You can win cup competitions, like the league cup, FA cup and even Champions League with a bit of luck.

However winning the league takes cold hard cash.

There is no way, none at all, Everton could win the league without a serious cash injection.

The most we can do in the current situation in a nigh on perfect season is get to around 70 points, 75 at an absolute maximum. No team has got anywhere near that sort of points total in the last decade without serious financial backing.

Getting nearer the 80-90 point barrier would involve winning almost 3/4 of our games each year.

When people say "yeah but Dortmund won in Germany" it isn't a fair comparison. If say Chelsea and City didn't have their ownership we'd have already had a few 3rd and 4th placed finishes, giving us the chance to play in the CL and increase our income. But we do have Chelsea and City to compete with so we don't get that CL money.

 

[bluejock]

I'm sorry, but you're arguing black is white.

It is possible for us to win a cup. Full stop.

I'm not saying it isn't possible, I'm saying that just determination and hard work isn't enough. In the absence of having the best talent, you need a large slice of luck, something both those sides had last season.

 

[Allezfan]

When people say "yeah but Dortmund won in Germany" it isn't a fair comparison. If say Chelsea and City didn't have their ownership we'd have already had a few 3rd and 4th placed finishes, giving us the chance to play in the CL and increase our income. But we do have Chelsea and City to compete with so we don't get that CL money.

Dortmund hadn't been in the CL for nearly a decade when they won it, though.

Montpellier had never been in it when they won the french league.

I get that the difference is there was only one mega rich club that needed to have a bad season rather than 6 but it's just not true that it took CL money to do it.

 

[roydo]

But unfortunately mate, they have. They where bought at the right time and their fanbases have swollen enormously, further cementing their status as top dogs.
We can compete to a degree but we are unlikely to sustain a challenge to the super clubs for long without at least half of what theyve invested.

Totally agree mate. Shame Liverpool never got the Commonwealth games a few years ago isnt it, with us being gifted a shiney new stadium like Citeh were.

 

[bluejock]

Totally agree mate. Shame Liverpool never got the Commonwealth games a few years ago isnt it, with us being gifted a shiney new stadium like Citeh were.

You know as well as I do that there's only one side in the city that would get a new stadium out of that.

 

[roydo]

I'm not saying it isn't possible, I'm saying that just determination and hard work isn't enough. In the absence of having the best talent, you need a large slice of luck, something both those sides had last season.

Agreed mate. The best side wins the league. You do not have unlucky cup winners.

 

[bluejock]

Sorry, sort of brought that argument on myself there by saying trophies.

 

[Timak]

If they could have attracted mourinho, they could have done.

But would he have gone there without the money is the issue?

Mourinho hasn't ever worked on a small budget (apart from a short spell early in his career - less than a season)

That isn't to downplay how good a manager he is but you can't say that his success with the richest domestic clubs would automatically lead to the same effect on smaller clubs.

 

[Goat]

The last team to win the League without spending a vast fortune either on transfers and or wages was probably Nottingham Forest in 1978.

The last team to win multiple cups without spending a vast fortune either on transfers and or wages was probably Notts County in 1895.

Hopefully you get my point.

 

[Allezfan]

Mourinho hasn't ever worked on a small budget (apart from a short spell early in his career - less than a season)

That isn't to downplay how good a manager he is but you can't say that his success with the richest domestic clubs would automatically lead to the same effect on smaller clubs.

Chelsea before Roman were a CL team who spent millions on sutton, flo, poyet etc.

They weren't a small team. If Mourinho had gone there then, he'd have had less of a financial disadvantage then he's had in europe with porto and inter.

He could have won them that league under bates.

 

[Goat]

Jose actually is a special one.

So lets not use him, its basically cheating.