The glass ceiling....truth or fiction.

[TX Bill]

I won't say it's impossible but I will say that it's highly unlikely that clubs with very few funds can compete with those who do.

When a club with money has a player get injured, quality of play doesn't decrease as they just plug in another world class player. Lesser clubs frankly just can't do that.

All the evidence you need is to look at league tables over the past twenty years. Same clubs at the top over and over and over and over.

Yeah, you gotta have money to compete and yes, there is a glass ceiling for most clubs.

 

[Christiffa25]

Does anybody think that if the Alex Ferguson who was in charge at Aberdeen walked into Goodison tomorrow we'd still be in a similar position to the one we're in now in five or ten years time?

Yes I do. Football has changed a lot since back when he walked into utd and now. He had a lot go in his favour at utd to get to where he ended up. Utd as a club made all the correct decisions to embrace and thrive in the PL era. Already were wealthy anyway and lets not forget the 7/8 kids that all came through at once.

That is not in anyway playing down his ability as a manager, but he had all the tools to grow in an era not money dominated to the same extent.

My question would be....If moyes had come to us back at the start of the PL era, and our board had made the correct decisions, would we be in the same situation now? No chance IMO, moyes would of thrived building a team in that era, think wed have several more trophies in the cabinet and be a big player still now.

 

[Nobby Nobbs]

I think there's two different types of good managers.

There's builders and winners.

Winners, like del bosque, lattek, kovacs, paisley, benitez, ancelotti, hiddink, capello, mancini etc, will win you trophies if given a good team with good players and money to spend.

And that's fine, that's a really useful skill to have and one a lot of teams need. And those managers do very well out of the game and win a lot of silver.

But it's no use at everton. Where we need a league challenging team to be built because we don't have one.

And for me the best of the best (the top 40 managers to ever live say), the truly world class can both build and win.

Mate you can say what you like about the other managers but Paisley was a truly great manager, took over from Shankly and turned them from a good side into a great side that dominated the 70s/and part of the 80s. winning 3 what was then European cups was it 5 titles and many more cups, and I bet if you ask L/pool fans from that era they may well even put him above Shankly or at least on a par.

 

[Michael Tsui]

Laughing and scratching my head at the same time. Surely that the point of our devilish scheme?

I think it means any UEFA sanctioned competitions.

Tell a son or another mate of Bill to form up the SMT of that Welsh club.

If the Pozzo family can have three individuals heading Udinese, Granada and Watford I couldn't see why we could not own a Welsh team in such fashion.

 

[roydo]

Actually I think it was us in 85 and 87 although I agree with your main point.
Southall Stevens VDH Rat Degsy Reid Steven Heath sharp gray bracewell sheedy richardson harper was a squad that cost buttons, only Heath was relatively dear at £700,000 bracewell at £400,000, tricky trev at £300,000 cost what would be considered a few bob.
Forests achievements per pound were absolutely excellent though.

Wouldnt disagree, but Clough did sign the first £1m player before they won the EC the 2nd time.

He also got them relegated.

 

[Coach]

Football died years ago and has been rotting in it's own grave ever since. We only watch it because we are addicts.

 

[SteKelly]

Make our atmosphere good every home game and we will win majority of them. Look at villa home last season, was an awful game.
2-0 down to Wigan in cup, people got out seats and started going down for a pint instead of getting behind a team.

Swansea/Wigan have won a cup. You don't need money to win a cup but for the league obviously you do

To get top 4 or even top 5, we need to win at a big away ground such as OT/Emirates/Anfield 6 point game

 

[By god I'm blue]

A team might be fortunate enough to break into the elite again and win something, but they will soon have their squad ravaged by the bigger clubs who will immediately insist on putting them back in their place.

 

[Coach]

Oh and FFP has concreted over the glass ceiling.

 

[D410]

The only thing that moves the needle far enough is dough and lots of it. if you don,t have it then you have got to accept that we need change off the pitch.

 

[Allezfan]

Mate you can say what you like about the other managers but Paisley was a truly great manager, took over from Shankly and turned them from a good side into a great side that dominated the 70s/and part of the 80s. winning 3 what was then European cups was it 5 titles and many more cups, and I bet if you ask L/pool fans from that era they may well even put him above Shankly or at least on a par.

He inherited a top side and got them winning relentlessly to a degree few other teams have ever done. That's fine, I'm not saying that's not a skill worth praising. It is.

I'm just saying it's not the same skill as building a team from scratch, something that paisley never did.

 

[blueblue]

I think football has become sanitised.There is very little room for the maverick who says the wrong things and does the wrong things.
We see Phil Neville for instance being touted as a future manage rand he may be excellent,however we know from listening to him that he already believes in the supremacy of certain clubs and that other clubs will do their best but never sit at the top table.

As a future Everton manager I couldn't see him being bloody minded enough to do whatever it takes to win matches.
Most of the coaches of the future seem to be of a similar type.I think it is because of all the coaching badges they have to get that the individuality is leached out of them. I would like to see less emphasis on badges,but maybe more insistence that a premiership manager should have some years relevant experience as a mager before being allwed as a manager of championship or premiership clubs.
At least they could learn their trade without all being turned into Stepford husbands.

 

[Luke]

I think we could have a special season where we managed to sneak into the top four but with the amount of money being paid in transfers and wages and the want for consistent Champions League football I think we'll be stuck behind the rest for the foreseeable future.