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[abelard]

Corbyn is divisive. I think its pretty telling at a time when the Tories are in disarray that Labour aren't heading to a landslide. In 10 years the Tories have had three leaders, each one progressively worse than the one before. They have literally eaten each other, torn the insides out of the party and still they are going to win this next election, with a baffoon at the helm.
Labour needs a new leader if they are ever going to challenge.

The real trouble though is that Brexit is divisive.

And the sort of person whom the 'Corbyn Out!' factions within Labour want to replace him with would be certain to perform worse than even he is every northern and midlands marginal.

How does a new leader resolve the Brexit divide any more effectively than Corbyn has? I have yet to see anyone on here provide a clear answer.

 

[peteblue]

off the top of my head I know the wife of his former finance minister has given them over a million quid .

Again Pete and being honest if major Russian figures some of whom had ties to putin had given over a million quid to Corbyn and the Labour Party whilst his senior advisor had lived over there for three years you’d be asking questions about it but you probably wouldn’t have to because it’d be on every front page and lifelong socialists like @Joey66 would be apoplectic.

One thing is certain it’d Certainly be easier to answer questions or know what we were talking about if the findings of that intelligence report were published .

We disagree on lots Pete, But although Its often mocked I genuinely have a love for my country as I’m confident you do . So if we’re being manipulated and undermined by a foreign power then surely that’s something we should all be concerned about whatever our political hue .

I agree and I think they should just publish the report tbh........more is being made of it because it has not been published....

 

[Jebus_lives]

I agree and I think they should just publish the report tbh........more is being made of it because it has not been published....

The key strategy seems to be, no matter how inept, corrupt, illegal; to delay delay and delay then leak, deny it, then publish a redacted version. It's never as explosive as the public thinks, so it's then largely forgotten after a flash in the pan.

 

[peteblue]

The key strategy seems to be, no matter how inept, corrupt, illegal; to delay delay and delay then leak, deny it, then publish a redacted version. It's never as explosive as the public thinks, so it's then largely forgotten after a flash in the pan.

Indeed....

 

[neil999]

so brexit party not standing in tory seats...but that will still split tory/brexit party vote in seats tories are hoping to win.. surely?!?!

 

[Tubey]

so brexit party not standing in tory seats...but that will still split tory/brexit party vote in seats tories are hoping to win.. surely?!?!

Farage has just thrown away any and all chance he had to make a difference. He's finished.

 

[neil999]

Farage has just thrown away any and all chance he had to make a difference. He's finished.

i really dont get what he is doing?!

 

[Tubey]

i really dont get what he is doing?!

He's bottled it, quite frankly. The reaction to him was that he was preventing Brexit and the consensus now is that Brexiteers just want us to leave, no matter how we do it.

His ideologically pure Brexit message wasn't cutting through, because the English nationalists are afraid we won't leave at all.

So he's backed down. In doing so he's now an irrelevance - he's sent the message that only voting Tory can deliver a form of Brexit.

 

[neil999]

He's bottled it, quite frankly. The reaction to him was that he was preventing Brexit and the consensus now is that Brexiteers just want us to leave, no matter how we do it.

His ideologically pure Brexit message wasn't cutting through, because the English nationalists are afraid we won't leave at all.

So he's backed down. In doing so he's now an irrelevance - he's sent the message that only voting Tory can deliver a form of Brexit.

seems he has opened door to a very unlikely labour minority government(if lib dems can take some tory seats)

 

[tsubaki]

Corbyn is divisive. I think its pretty telling at a time when the Tories are in disarray that Labour aren't heading to a landslide. In 10 years the Tories have had three leaders, each one progressively worse than the one before. They have literally eaten each other, torn the insides out of the party and still they are going to win this next election, with a baffoon at the helm.
Labour needs a new leader if they are ever going to challenge.

Corbyn is divisive because we have been told by multiple sources, daily, over three years that he is someone not to be trusted, a traitor, a racist, a threat to the country.

Of course, the truth is that he (or more accurately what he wants to do) actually is a potential threat to the people who have spent the last forty years enriching themselves at our expense, which is why they oppose him so vigorously.

Any Labour leader, or indeed any person who puts the gravy train in danger, faces and will face much the same sort of thing. Just look at how Farage has surrendered today to see the truth of that.

 

[Tubey]

seems he has opened door to a very unlikely labour minority government(if lib dems can take some tory seats)

No the Tories will almost certainly be at least the largest party in a hung parliament now, unless something dramatic happens.

 

[neil999]

No the Tories will almost certainly be at least the largest party in a hung parliament now, unless something dramatic happens.

yeah i know...just imagining crazy possible outcomes

 

[Charro]

seems he has opened door to a very unlikely labour minority government(if lib dems can take some tory seats)

How have you come to this conclusion?

Surely this helps the tories and secures some seats that could've been taken by the Brexit party?

I'm a bit confused by all this tactical standing stuff from the fringe parties. Not really sure it'll work as they all hope.

 

[peteblue]

seems he has opened door to a very unlikely labour minority government(if lib dems can take some tory seats)

No, he’s being quite clever, he’s not getting in the way of the Tories, but is allowing himself the opportunity to take a few Labour or LibDem seats, thereby holding Boris’s feet to the flames.....not sure it will work but he would have been pilloried if he’d helped Corbyn in any way......

 

[tsubaki]

No the Tories will almost certainly be at least the largest party in a hung parliament now, unless something dramatic happens.

Perhaps, though the advantage of the BP was always that it allowed non-Tories to vote for someone other than Labour in these sorts of seats. This reduced the size of the Lab majority, allowing the much smaller Tory vote to catch up and on occasion win.

Revealing the BP as a Tory front (which is what it’s obvious they are now) will probably do to them what it did to UKIP in 2017 - boost the Labour vote (as an anti-Tory vote) by turning the contest into a binary one again.