Current Affairs The General Election

[Tubey]

No, he’s being quite clever, he’s not getting in the way of the Tories, but is allowing himself the opportunity to take a few Labour or LibDem seats, thereby holding Boris’s feet to the flames.....not sure it will work but he would have been pilloried if he’d helped Corbyn in any way......

His whole reason for being is Brexit.

He's now abandoned that ground to Johnson.

It's not clever in the slightest, unless you count him recognising he's been utterly destroyed and surrendering at the earliest opportunity as clever.

All he'll be hoping for now is that when Brexit is the obvious disaster it will be, then he can come back and try and claim its all because it wasn't REALLY Brexit.

 

[neil999]

How have you come to this conclusion?

Surely this helps the tories and secures some seats that could've been taken by the Brexit party?

I'm a bit confused by all this tactical standing stuff from the fringe parties. Not really sure it'll work as they all hope.

My thinking is - tory/brexit party vote is split in labour seats, so labour pretty much maintain their current seats

lib dems make gains in tory remain seats, so they are no longer biggest party

its obviously very unlikely

 

[tsubaki]

No, he’s being quite clever, he’s not getting in the way of the Tories, but is allowing himself the opportunity to take a few Labour or LibDem seats, thereby holding Boris’s feet to the flames.....not sure it will work but he would have been pilloried if he’d helped Corbyn in any way......

He’s not being anything other than told what to do by the people who fund him.

The irony is that his original intention (to stand everywhere) was the correct idea - now it’s just obvious what the BP is, an astroturfing con job that there really isn’t any reason to vote for, in any part of the country.

 

[peteblue]

His whole reason for being is Brexit.

He's now abandoned that ground to Johnson.

It's not clever in the slightest, unless you count him recognising he's been utterly destroyed and surrendering at the earliest opportunity as clever.

All he'll be hoping for now is that when Brexit is the obvious disaster it will be, then he can come back and try and claim its all because it wasn't REALLY Brexit.

He was in a no win position and he knew it. It was a clever move to try and regain some kind of leadership because his own potential MP’s were resigning in marginal constituencies anyway....it will now be interesting to see the Labour response to this....

 

[peteblue]

He’s not being anything other than told what to do by the people who fund him.

The irony is that his original intention (to stand everywhere) was the correct idea - now it’s just obvious what the BP is, an astroturfing con job that there really isn’t any reason to vote for, in any part of the country.

I agree, he’s had his ears bent. But bearing in mind he has no policies other than leaving the EU, even Farage could see the writing on the wall......

 

[The binman chronicles]

My thinking is - tory/brexit party vote is split in labour seats, so labour pretty much maintain their current seats

lib dems make gains in tory remain seats, so they are no longer biggest party

its obviously very unlikely

The probable outcomes as I see it would either be a small majority Tory win or someone will have to run a minority government until there is another election (hopefully after Brexit has been resolved).

The Tories would be the single largest party which makes it easier for them, so it depends if the SNP who do not want a formal coalition with Labour, and the Liberals who kind of indicated they would be no part of a Labour government put it on the line to stop a Tory government and a possible harder Brexit. They may be comfortable letting the Tories to stay in power knowing that their combined vote like now will be enough to control the process though.

 

[Tubey]

The Momentum rants about Trident on Twitter highlight just how dangerous a Corbyn government is (and notably, an even greater risk if it's Corbyn propped up by the SNP.)

Under no circumstances should we consider removing Trident. People don't understand the role it plays, and the student union politic types just see it as a "nukes are bad." They are completely incapable of thinking about the issue laterally - it's all "black and white", "good and evil".

The reality of course is that thanks to nuclear weaponry we've had no global conflict since WW2. It absolutely stopped one with Russia and kept that Cold War cold.
And of course, the reason you have to maintain the threat of Trident isn't to actually use it, but so that you never actually have to, because nobody would be stupid enough to risk it.

Global nuclear disarmament is the most ludicrous of political ideals - it can't be put back in the box and, for the sake of millions of lives, nor should it be.

 

[Blue 1]

After Farage's announcement anyone still telling themselves the Tories aren't part of a fascist alliance is a fool.

 

[neil999]

I dont think potential brexit party voters will like this at all...are UKIP still going to stand candidates??

 

[Aberblue]

I dont think potential brexit party voters will like this at all...are UKIP still going to stand candidates??

I think UKIP will be lucky if they get their votes into four figures in any constituency.

 

[evilwebby]

Been a significant move in the markets following BP announcement. Con majority chances have moved from about 50% up to 70%

 

[evilwebby]

Corbyn is divisive. I think its pretty telling at a time when the Tories are in disarray that Labour aren't heading to a landslide. In 10 years the Tories have had three leaders, each one progressively worse than the one before. They have literally eaten each other, torn the insides out of the party and still they are going to win this next election, with a baffoon at the helm.
Labour needs a new leader if they are ever going to challenge.

Mate the Labour Party is in *far* worse state than the Conservatives. Labour has basically become a vehicle for the Fundamental Left. Its basically irrelevant to most British sensibilities. They haven't won an Election in 15 years and unless they start having serious discussions about what they represent then it will be at least another 15 years before then can win another one.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

After Farage's announcement anyone still telling themselves the Tories aren't part of a fascist alliance is a fool.

All is not well at Tory central and Brexit armchair central at Sunnyside day centre for the older bored. Reckon private polling is not looking good as they would like us to believe.

So Labour up against the Tory establishment it's knuckle draggers and the other electoral pact, do as we say not what we do luvvies...

 

[Eggs]

Corbyn is divisive. I think its pretty telling at a time when the Tories are in disarray that Labour aren't heading to a landslide. In 10 years the Tories have had three leaders, each one progressively worse than the one before. They have literally eaten each other, torn the insides out of the party and still they are going to win this next election, with a baffoon at the helm.
Labour needs a new leader if they are ever going to challenge.

...it’s strategically obvious but Momentum is not smart enough to make changes. Momentum Labour is being run by shop stewards. I can’t see any way out of the mess.

 

[evilwebby]

seems he has opened door to a very unlikely labour minority government(if lib dems can take some tory seats)

No chance at all. Everything is pointing towards Lab heading for a heavy defeat.