Current Affairs The General Election

[Walken]

It's been a great start for Labour. I remember in 2017 it took a little while for the polls to start moving.

The question now is not whether Labour will move the polls but by how much.

You can almost sense the relief in corbyn, he likes campaigning and its what he is good at

 

[Jebus_lives]

 

[catcherintherye]

My reading? That he has lost the Aaron Banks largesse and his Brexit Party is going to be obliterated, and he's a huge cowardly failure that only has a public profile as the BBC wants "balance" on Question Time.

Why do you think Banks wants to turn the tap off now? How are they funding 650 candidates? I hope you are right, we have seen with UKIP one electoral wipe out and they are into oblivion!

 

[catcherintherye]

You can almost sense the relief in corbyn, he likes campaigning and its what he is good at

Yes absolutely he is really good at this stuff. He's a very empathic individual who enjoys being around people. As you say he's like a different character at election time.

What you also seem to find, is that when people actually see him they quite like him. It's the reverse of what many right wingers believe, more exposure really works for him.

 

[peteblue]

Yes absolutely he is really good at this stuff. He's a very empathic individual who enjoys being around people. As you say he's like a different character at election time.

What you also seem to find, is that when people actually see him they quite like him. It's the reverse of what many right wingers believe, more exposure really works for him.

Perhaps. Anyway how far through the campaign will we get before Labour declares that Dianne Abbott is sick/tried/worn out........

 

[peteblue]

You can almost sense the relief in corbyn, he likes campaigning and its what he is good at

He loves talking to people who will vote for him anyway. However it’s the swing voters who decide a government....

 

[orly]

Why do you think Banks wants to turn the tap off now? How are they funding 650 candidates? I hope you are right, we have seen with UKIP one electoral wipe out and they are into oblivion!

Depends what he is "funding". For many of those no-hopers they will be getting nothing more than their deposits.

Now the Brexit Party is on the campaign trail with a figurehead too frightened of public opinion to put himself up against the ultimate test. Lol.

 

[The binman chronicles]

Program? Letting the mask slip a bit there lad.

However this post of yours does sort of evidence the point I was making. Your summary of Labour policy is basically what you have been told - that its over-zealous (as if all the evidence of what life is like for a large minority of people isn't sufficient for things to be change), that business is going to be driven out of the country (even though we and you know Brexit will do that), and best of all that you don't actually know what they are going to do until they tell you, which surely makes the first two points completely irrelevant?

If not program, what would you call it? A crusade? Talking pants there mate, a program is a quite simple term for what the government wishes to achieve during a parliament. I generally like your posts and you are obviously intelligent but you are so closed off in your view of Corbyn and New Old Labour that anyone else's views that are not on point becomes 'the media has force fed you those'. Poppycock! Most of what I gain is straight from the politicians mouths. I don't need a third party to interpret those views. And if I was just a sleepwalking vacuous shell waiting to be manipulated by the media then surely I would be a fully paid up member of the Tory or Brexit parties?

I am a third-way socialist that pretty much understands if you radically change the systems too fast then something pops out the other side. Of course we need a fairer society but that should be done in increments and not taking to task business, there are other choices that could be made to re-address the balance. As I said in my last post I will wait to see what is in the manifesto but the stuff that has been talked about is not promising to me. Simple as that.

I'm a bit confused to what this part means:

and best of all that you don't actually know what they are going to do until they tell you, which surely makes the first two points completely irrelevant?

...So am I understanding correctly by saying that waiting to confirm the facts with my general understanding straight from the horses mouth what they are going to actually try to do is a bad thing?...Right-ho.

 

[Khalekan]

Perhaps. Anyway how far through the campaign will we get before Labour declares that Dianne Abbott is sick/tried/worn out........

I think you have a crush on Ms Abbot, Peter

You sure reference her in posts quite a lot

 

[Khalekan]

Depends what he is "funding". For many of those no-hopers they will be getting nothing more than their deposits.

Now the Brexit Party is on the campaign trail with a figurehead too frightened of public opinion to put himself up against the ultimate test. Lol.

His attempt to coerce Boris the other day has fallen flat on its face.

Stand by now for a U turn on the threat to contest every constituency as his own polling as well as the national polls suggest Brexit Party is nowt but an irrelevant sideshow to the vast majority of voters.

 

[tsubaki]

If not program, what would you call it? A crusade? Talking pants there mate, a program is a quite simple term for what the government wishes to achieve during a parliament. I generally like your posts and you are obviously intelligent but you are so closed off in your view of Corbyn and New Old Labour that anyone else's views that are not on point becomes 'the media has force fed you those'. Poppycock! Most of what I gain is straight from the politicians mouths. I don't need a third party to interpret those views. And if I was just a sleepwalking vacuous shell waiting to be manipulated by the media then surely I would be a fully paid up member of the Tory or Brexit parties?

I am a third-way socialist that pretty much understands if you radically change the systems too fast then something pops out the other side. Of course we need a fairer society but that should be done in increments and not taking to task business, there are other choices that could be made to re-address the balance. As I said in my last post I will wait to see what is in the manifesto but the stuff that has been talked about is not promising to me. Simple as that.

I'm a bit confused to what this part means:

and best of all that you don't actually know what they are going to do until they tell you, which surely makes the first two points completely irrelevant?

...So am I understanding correctly by saying that waiting to confirm the facts with my general understanding straight from the horses mouth what they are going to actually try to do is a bad thing?...Right-ho.

er - the correct word there in the British context at least is programme; someone using program instead would usually indicate the person making the statement wasn't taught British English (since program is how American English uses the word).

As for the rest - my point was that you said you believe Labour are going to do extreme things, things that put the economy at risk. These were certainties, and something that you couldn't bring yourself to say about the Tories even though almost everyone accepts that Brexit is going to do exactly that. You then said you'd have to wait before seeing the manifesto, which would tend to suggest that your earlier certainty wasn't based on much.

 

[tsubaki]

Depends what he is "funding". For many of those no-hopers they will be getting nothing more than their deposits.

Now the Brexit Party is on the campaign trail with a figurehead too frightened of public opinion to put himself up against the ultimate test. Lol.

They've all stumped up at least £125 to apply to be candidates, so I'd be beyond amazed if the BP haven't required them to self-fund their deposits too.

In fact, given that they already charge people to attend a Farage rally would it surprise anyone if BP were charging candidates for Farage to come up and campaign for a day too?

 

[Tubey]

er - the correct word there in the British context at least is programme; someone using program instead would usually indicate the person making the statement wasn't taught British English (since program is how American English uses the word).

As for the rest - my point was that you said you believe Labour are going to do extreme things, things that put the economy at risk. These were certainties, and something that you couldn't bring yourself to say about the Tories even though almost everyone accepts that Brexit is going to do exactly that. You then said you'd have to wait before seeing the manifesto, which would tend to suggest that your earlier certainty wasn't based on much.

It'd benefit Labour to tone down the ideology in this campaign. There are loads of people who will hold their noses and vote for Labour to stop Brexit if they didn't foresee Corbyn being just as dangerous to the country.

They obviously won't do that because of Momentum and the literal need to play to their base, but they really should look at broadening an appeal to come across as sensible when compared to Johnson and the increasingly rabidly right wing Tories. But at least the Tories have the sense of still at least pretending to be 'One Nation', even though the term has absolutely no meaning at this point.

 

[tsubaki]

It'd benefit Labour to tone down the ideology in this campaign. There are loads of people who will hold their noses and vote for Labour to stop Brexit if they didn't foresee Corbyn being just as dangerous to the country.

They obviously won't do that because of Momentum and the literal need to play to their base, but they really should look at broadening an appeal to come across as sensible when compared to Johnson and the increasingly rabidly right wing Tories. But at least the Tories have the sense of still at least pretending to be 'One Nation', even though the term has absolutely no meaning at this point.

I disagree - as has been said before, I think this focus on ideology is to make the likely Tory claim of "the people vs the elite" even more transparent rubbish than it was before (hence the focus on the likes of Odey). As for the campaign we will probably end up with the same sort of manifesto as in 2017, ie: something that is well within the domestic and European social democratic mainstream (which after all is what Labour and more importantly Corbyn represent).

It will still be called Communist, Marxist, extreme-left and the rest of course.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

Anyway whats your reading

His fauning interview with Trump on LBC the other night was the moment those on right and free marketeers realised there is no real appetite in the UK electorate to be subsidiary of Trumps America First Policy. Aptly demonstrated by Boris Johnson squealing therefter. Oh dear! Farage need for his ego to have recognition has got the better of him. He he he.