Current Affairs The General Election

Voting Intentions

  • Labour

    Votes: 209 61.1%

  • Tories

    Votes: 30 8.8%

  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 20 5.8%

  • Brexit Gubbins

    Votes: 8 2.3%

  • Greens

    Votes: 8 2.3%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 1 0.3%

  • Change UK, if that's their current moniker

    Votes: 1 0.3%

  • SNP

    Votes: 4 1.2%

  • DUP

    Votes: 3 0.9%

  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 9 2.6%

  • Alliance

    Votes: 4 1.2%

  • SDLP

    Votes: 2 0.6%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 4 1.2%

  • Some fringe party with a catchy name

    Votes: 7 2.0%

  • A plague on all your houses

    Votes: 32 9.4%
  • Total voters
    342
  • Poll closed .
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roydo said:
I didnt see that, but it kinda proves my point. The headline is LP are 100% squeaky clean and everyone else is bent. So everyone believes it. Does my nut.
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Sorry but the headline on the BBC page doesn't say that, it says that 'political ads are misleading'...however in the article it states that First Draft ran a 4 day sample that found no evidence of Labour lies in their advertisements.
 
JEBUS_LIVES said:
Sorry but the headline on the BBC page doesn't say that, it says that 'political ads are misleading'...however in the article it states that First Draft ran a 4 day sample that found no evidence of Labour lies in their advertisements.
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*sigh*

I said the social media reaction to it was that no Labour party ads were misleading, but 88% of Tories were.

They are all cut from the same cloth. One has a bigger budget.
 
monty said:
You are clearly a know nothing who believes they know everything. The Mail and other toe rag lying newspapers are controlled by Viscount Rothermere, a Tory grandee. The governing body who placed the embargo on that story, despite it being proven beyond doubt to be an utter lie, is a claimed voluntary body controlled by the press. It consists of people from the newspaper industry with every paper represented. It's existence was agreed by a Tory government who did so under the argument of press freedom. That freedom is directly controlled by Rothermere, Murdoch and other paid up right wingers. Parliament wanted an accountable body an argument the Tories rejected, no bloody wonder.
The journalist who wrote that article could well have ended his career for breaking the Tory embargo simply because he wanted to bring the truth to the public. I wonder what he'd say to your asinine response.
At no point have I said Labour or the rest are innocent of lies but that should not hide the biggest liars from exposure. You want to see public opinion controlled in this fashion then vote Tory because they are welcome to you.
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- Yes, everyone knows that the Mail is owned by a Tory grandee - there's literally no surprise that they printed stories that slam Labour. Unsurprisingly, society has cottoned on the Mail is little more than a right wing Beano. It's something that's regularly mocked.

- IPSO is an independent body. The board, isn't just made up of right wing press barons. An independent committee oversees complaints. That's why the story in the Mail of Sunday was in breach, rather than being waved through. Part of that process is an appeal. Which has seen the complaint upheld - the MoS need to publish an apology.

- The journalist has been a bit of a drama queen - he couldn't of ended his career because The Guardian (and presumably MSN) isn't covered by IPSO. They haven't been part of any embargo on the reporting of this story. It's not exactly a Rosa Parks moment. In all reality he could have written this the day after (or actually of) it's publication.

- The media have a regulatory body that papers can opt in to, but can publish without their oversight, that has ruled in favour of individuals accused of being part of the Labour Antisemitism nonsense. I'm not too sure why this is a bad thing or how it can be construed as an attempt to control the media.

- I'm not going to claim I know everything, but I know enough when I can see a absolutely non-story being blown up completely out of proportion. Your first sentence is so devoid of self-awareness it's staggering.
 
roydo said:
In a nutshell, some folk have more money than others. Always been the case, always will be.

My suggestion would be that the levers that are available to make the lives of those less fortunate than most, are deployed more intelligently. But its a balance between supporting what some would call the "hard working families", and avoiding what some would call "a lifetime on benefits".

I dont pretend I have the answers, but what I do know is that whatever ones favourite solution is, you need to have a thriving economy, jobs, and stability re interest rates to actually deliver it.

And to take 3 random billionaires, Richard Branson, James Dyson, and Steve Lansdown, all 3 have contributed massively to the GDP/employment/tax take for the UK. Way more than any politician has.
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on Branson:

Let's deal with the open-air subsidies first. If you tot up all the direct subsidies Branson's west coast mainline service received between 1997 and 2012, and convert them to today's prices, you get a sum of £2.79bn handed over by us – before a single ticket has been sold. And it is certainly before you factor in the service's upgrade (worth around £9bn, and paid for by the public), and the fleet of Pendolino trains (again, largely subsidised by the government).
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Big_nev said:


How deep does the rabbit hole go?


The amount of side eye going on in this is off the charts.
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Scumbag Tories conspiring to deflect attention away from Johnson and his lack of compassion for an ill 4 year old boy. Backed by the MSM and in particulsr the BBC. They'll plumb to any depths to get the Tories elected.
Labour should make this big news tomorrow.
 
Ask yourself why the emergence of social media makes it so easy for ALL parties to take advantage of the ill informed. I grow increasingly ashamed of the state of this aspect of today's world. This is said as a 60's born Birkonian science graduate, left leaning, pro-remain, but mostly viewed by my friends as a contrarian (old school) liberal unionist.

Social media has just as many evils as MSM. We have to learn this, whereas we know intuitively what the Daily M**l stance will be or what The Observer (my Sunday read) view is most likely.

Today's big disappointment was Ashworth being outed as such a t*t. To me a big let down as I had come to view him as a rare sighting of talent on either front bench.

Rant over, off for a bevy.
 
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