Current Affairs The General Election

[peteblue]

when that happens and brexit happens you are officially banned from this thread

thank you.....

 

[neil999]

Have you thought that perhaps Labour gets negative press and Tories get positive press because of what they want to do.....

papers have always been biased and should allowed to be...a more interesting analysis would be TV coverage

 

[peteblue]

papers have always been biased and should allowed to be...a more interesting analysis would be TV coverage

indeed...

 

[the sniderman]

with many fellow everton people set to suffer in mr johnson wins then i hope this website can DENOUNCE the conservative bozos thank u.

 

[Zatara]

Yes there's a lot in that Zat. I mean Abbot was a very well regarded solicitor and one of the first black women to go to Cambridge to study law. I know she has become a figure of fun, which suggests a fair bit of benign sexism/racism within our media but she's clearly a very bright and successful woman. I don't think she's in the least bit adaptable to what modern politics dictates, and doesn't remember figures very well but I can't say she's not a very successful woman in her own right.

As for Corbyn, in truth neither he nor Johnson have the CV to be PM. Corby's strength is he's a very strong empath. Johnson's strength is he's good at telling jokes.

Where I think there is some difficulty in the position, is that I'm not sure the skill set required to run a business, or to be a successful trader is really the same skill set required to lead a country. I mean a business owner is accountability to their shareholders. It's a very narrow group of people and there are not really wider questions beyond that. A PM's role is to cater for all aspects of the country.

I'd perhaps argue being successful in business may even preclude you from being able to understand the perspectives of ordinary people. That seems the case a bit with Trump, who despite running successful business (albeit having failed at quite a few as well) seems to lack much understanding that running a country is a very different job MO.

We seem to have MP's for the most part who are overwhelmingly from a certain set of society and who for me protect their interests first. I'm not sure many have any real understanding of what or how ordinary people survive.

But yes, the big money they get is really from what they can do as politicians. I mean you can surmise anything you want from potential conflict of interests in them sitting on boards while doing that job. To me it's not a great situation but it persists never the less.

Edit apologies I missed the bit about the manifesto. I think there's a fair bit of truth in what you say. However Mcdonnell is really the manifesto man. Corbyn isn't a policy guy.

Whatever ones personal view of what he's trying to do, I'd say Mcdonnell is representing it quite well. He's putting quite a common sense view of the value of a big state. He's got most of the other parties now adopting tax/borrow and spend policies. The orthoodox economic thinking that preceded him has gone.

No idea on the others involved but that manifesto (ive just seen snippets) is really quite comical.

For Abbot, surely its not racism/sexism why shes being publicised in videos making enormous errors over and over again? Surely its because shes not very good at her job? Didnt know she was a solicitor, mind blown...worried if she was mine and she cant remember numbers or make a rational argument (based on the videos).

Disagree about the corporate side...in Singapore they run the country as a business. If UK goes out of the EU then Singapore should be copied...tax advantages for IT firms and progressive firms now were in the 4th industrial revolution.

Just cant understand why anyone would want services to be state owned...it makes no sense to me?

Whats your view?

This is the scale of obdurate selfishness we are plagued by in this country. This utter div would stand to be taxed about £8 per month more under Labour's plans.

And despite his complete ignorance, the BBC sees it fit to be shared it with a wider audience.

We're doomed.

That was your take away from the video?

Not that the labour guy was that as hes making over £80k hes on 45% tax. In fact if you make £125k+ 50% goes in tax.

All of these state owned dreams of Corbyn rely on taxing the top 5%.

What happens if alot of the top 5% relocate to Italy, Spain or Portugal (all offering tax free or low tax for expats)...

3 things happen

1: The money isnt there for Corbyn so he has to increase tax for others below

2: The economy shrinks because assets (people) leave the country bringing and spending their money overseas.

3: £80k 50% tax ? Who would want to move there...so you also lose overseas workers at the top level.


Its totally daft.

I think the Tories will win comfortably......

I think they should have a landslide victory.

 

[Zatara]

What are the Lib Dems standing for now? Thought they had almost disappeared...

 

[orchard]

No idea on the others involved but that manifesto (ive just seen snippets) is really quite comical.

For Abbot, surely its not racism/sexism why shes being publicised in videos making enormous errors over and over again? Surely its because shes not very good at her job? Didnt know she was a solicitor, mind blown...worried if she was mine and she cant remember numbers or make a rational argument (based on the videos).

Disagree about the corporate side...in Singapore they run the country as a business. If UK goes out of the EU then Singapore should be copied...tax advantages for IT firms and progressive firms now were in the 4th industrial revolution.

Just cant understand why anyone would want services to be state owned...it makes no sense to me?

Whats your view?



That was your take away from the video?

Not that the labour guy was that as hes making over £80k hes on 45% tax. In fact if you make £125k+ 50% goes in tax.

All of these state owned dreams of Corbyn rely on taxing the top 5%.

What happens if alot of the top 5% relocate to Italy, Spain or Portugal (all offering tax free or low tax for expats)...

3 things happen

1: The money isnt there for Corbyn so he has to increase tax for others below

2: The economy shrinks because assets (people) leave the country bringing and spending their money overseas.

3: £80k 50% tax ? Who would want to move there...so you also lose overseas workers at the top level.


Its totally daft.




I think they should have a landslide victory.

No, he's not.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

papers have always been biased and should allowed to be...a more interesting analysis would be TV coverage

83% percent of the print media is owned by News UK, Daily Mail Group and Reach. That should worry the true academic who understands meaningful critique or indeed true free marketeer who is truly open to competition. It's a case of I'm alright Jack so I'll look the other way, until nimbyism wakes people from their comfy Humphrey life styles.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

papers have always been biased and should allowed to be...a more interesting analysis would be TV coverage

83% percent of the print media is owned by News UK, Daily Mail Group and Reach. That should worry the true academic who understands meaningful critique or indeed true free marketeer who is truly open to competition. It's a case of I'm alright Jack so I'll look the other way, until nimbyism wakes people from their comfy Humphrey life styles.

 

[Zatara]

No, he's not.

Hes said they will tax the top 5%

The audience member will be in the top 5% (earning over £80k) and that tax rate (from memory) will increase to 45% with an increase of 50% at £125k+

What figures do you have? I could well be wrong...

 

[Black Belt Jones]

No idea on the others involved but that manifesto (ive just seen snippets) is really quite comical.

For Abbot, surely its not racism/sexism why shes being publicised in videos making enormous errors over and over again? Surely its because shes not very good at her job? Didnt know she was a solicitor, mind blown...worried if she was mine and she cant remember numbers or make a rational argument (based on the videos).

Disagree about the corporate side...in Singapore they run the country as a business. If UK goes out of the EU then Singapore should be copied...tax advantages for IT firms and progressive firms now were in the 4th industrial revolution.

Just cant understand why anyone would want services to be state owned...it makes no sense to me?

When you look at a city state like Singapore, 5 million people, benevolent dictatorship from day one under LKY, and compare it to how the UK is or should be governed, do you ever stop and think that you're making an absolutely retarded comparison?

 

[abelard]

in Singapore they run the country as a business. If UK goes out of the EU then Singapore should be copied

Labour is essentially copying housing in Singapore, though to a far lesser extent

Hes said they will tax the top 5%

The audience member will be in the top 5% (earning over £80k) and that tax rate (from memory) will increase to 45% with an increase of 50% at £125k+

What figures do you have? I could well be wrong...

you would pay 45% on income earned above 80k, not 45% of 80k

 

[orchard]

Hes said they will tax the top 5%

The audience member will be in the top 5% (earning over £80k) and that tax rate (from memory) will increase to 45% with an increase of 50% at £125k+

What figures do you have? I could well be wrong...

You seem to be portraying it in a skewed manner, tax is only paid at 50pc once one meets that threshold. Additionally, once one has covered basic needs, those with higher incomes can invest easier pre-tax.

 

[davek]

This is the scale of obdurate selfishness we are plagued by in this country. This utter div would stand to be taxed about £8 per month more under Labour's plans.

And despite his complete ignorance, the BBC sees it fit to be shared it with a wider audience.

We're doomed.

He was probably a plant placed there by the QT producer who has links to fascist organisations.

 

[roydo]

Hes said they will tax the top 5%

The audience member will be in the top 5% (earning over £80k) and that tax rate (from memory) will increase to 45% with an increase of 50% at £125k+

What figures do you have? I could well be wrong...

Maybe the nuance of the UK tax system is unfamilier to you. If someone earns £81000, then the highest rate of tax will only apply to £1000 of their earnings.

That said, there is a bewildering array of other stuff that can make someones real tax rate at the higher earnings level way higher than the trumpeted headlines. For some surgeons it means they end up paying pretty much 100% of earnings over sommet like £140000. So they dont bother. So we get NHS backlogs. Great idea eh?